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Radiorails
master brummie
Posts 1789 and 1790 are Atlanteans from the batch of 10 referred to.. in the first post 1789 Post
Post 1791 is not a Daimler but a Crossley with Crossley bodywork.
Post 1792 carries a short working of the Inner Circe 8
Post 1794 is Leyland PD2 with Park Royal bodywork.
Posts 1795 an 1795 are in fact AEC'S, built to London RT style - did not suit the hansome lines of BCT fleet
Post 1791 is not a Daimler but a Crossley with Crossley bodywork.
Post 1792 carries a short working of the Inner Circe 8
Post 1794 is Leyland PD2 with Park Royal bodywork.
Posts 1795 an 1795 are in fact AEC'S, built to London RT style - did not suit the hansome lines of BCT fleet
Radiorails
master brummie
Post 1800 is a Leyland TD6c which had a torque converter (sometimes called gearless). Entered service in late 1939 they were a replacement for the Dudley Road tram routes.an the 'gearless' facility was an answer to the change of driver from trams to buses.
SteveBhx
master brummie
Big thanks to Radiorails for the "correct" bus information I have gone through and edited my entries where necessary!
Shown in the good old days before pedestrianisation was even thought of No 6 turns into Victoria Square, this was when there were roads to the left of the council house as we look, joining the traffic which had come down Colmore Row and was turning into New Street.
The council house looking very grimy - which everywhere did at that time.
Few things I have noticed - drop windows upstairs, destination board at the rear of the upstairs deck and the blocked window at the rear where the steps go upstairs.
EDIT: From Radiorails - AEC Regent which was new in December 1930. It has a new appearance. It was an AEC before Daimler became the BCT preference. the style of the bus, by English Electric, had the sobriquet 'piano front'.
Shown in the good old days before pedestrianisation was even thought of No 6 turns into Victoria Square, this was when there were roads to the left of the council house as we look, joining the traffic which had come down Colmore Row and was turning into New Street.
The council house looking very grimy - which everywhere did at that time.
Few things I have noticed - drop windows upstairs, destination board at the rear of the upstairs deck and the blocked window at the rear where the steps go upstairs.
EDIT: From Radiorails - AEC Regent which was new in December 1930. It has a new appearance. It was an AEC before Daimler became the BCT preference. the style of the bus, by English Electric, had the sobriquet 'piano front'.
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SteveBhx
master brummie
To make a change from buses here are a couple of pictures of the old market hall , taken in 1920 and rather poor but give an idea of the building and the dress of the time - everyone with jackets and hats .
Second picture seems to have grills across the doors but gives an idea of the size of the building.
Second picture seems to have grills across the doors but gives an idea of the size of the building.
SteveBhx
master brummie
Back to bus images - slightly different, turning out of High Street into Vicarage Road Kings Heath - on the outer circle route , we have a bus with the West Midland makings on the side - my list says 1960 but I thought this happened later than this - any additions appreciated .
To the left of the bus we have a nice Ford Capri and a Hillman Imp - ( the imp is travelling left.)
EDIT: From Radiorails, "Birmingham Standard" bus, a Guy Arab entering service in 1950/51. The WMPTE took over BCT and other Midland fleets in 1969, if I remember correctly. My interest in BCT waned after then. One grim feature was the replacement of the radiator grille from the elegant BCT version with the mediocre version supplied to other municipalities.
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To the left of the bus we have a nice Ford Capri and a Hillman Imp - ( the imp is travelling left.)
EDIT: From Radiorails, "Birmingham Standard" bus, a Guy Arab entering service in 1950/51. The WMPTE took over BCT and other Midland fleets in 1969, if I remember correctly. My interest in BCT waned after then. One grim feature was the replacement of the radiator grille from the elegant BCT version with the mediocre version supplied to other municipalities.
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Radiorails
master brummie
A nice photo. post 1804, of an AEC Regent which was new in December 1930. It has a new appearance. It was an AEC before Daimler became the BCT preference. the style of the bus, by English Electric, had the sobriquet 'piano front'.
Post 1806 shows a "Birmingham Standard" bus, a Guy Arab entering service in 1950/51. The WMPTE took over BCT and other Midland fleets in 1969, if I remember correctly. My interest in BCT waned after then. One grim feature was the replacement of the radiator grille from the elegant BCT version with the mediocre version supplied to other municipalities.
Post 1806 shows a "Birmingham Standard" bus, a Guy Arab entering service in 1950/51. The WMPTE took over BCT and other Midland fleets in 1969, if I remember correctly. My interest in BCT waned after then. One grim feature was the replacement of the radiator grille from the elegant BCT version with the mediocre version supplied to other municipalities.
Alf Rogers
master brummie
Great photos, Steve! Yes, the mark I Ford Capri dates the photo to 1969 or later, while the Datsun Cherry on the right was launched in Britain in 1970. This style of bus - open at the back - was withdrawn from service in Birmingham in 1977. So that narrows the date to a seven-year window.
lmr3103
master brummie
What year would that be? I'd love to know what the three ladies on the right were talking about!
A Sparks
master brummie
Only making a guess here - the clothes look like from the 1940s?
Also, it looks like the Market Hall is without the roof and the windows are bricked up so maybe after WW2?
SteveBhx
master brummie
Thanks Mikejee just shows no pictures are "new" and the outcome of taking photos of photos, I / we appreciate you taking the time to post the images and maps when I post completing the story
SteveBhx
master brummie
Described as " coming down High Street Deritend ", that is all I have to offer I am afraid, the area is quite different from today, note the blinds on the shops in the background. 29A was quite a long journey, not broke or terminated in the city and a change of bus required - makes you wonder if they kept to the timetable for such a journey or if it was quieter in those days.
SteveBhx
master brummie
Next image is shown for interest as the quality is not good and also shows what is often the starting point of the images - a photo of a photo unfortunately with a reflection in this case. A better version will show up probably and I will replace and re write the entry, also there is no description however I am sure someone will know the location.
SteveBhx
master brummie
Last bus image for the moment described as special at the bottom of old Dale End and Coleshall Street in 1960, as always in the middle of road works - with those red and white barriers everywhere, nice couple of cars to the left of the bus and in the background plenty of factories which are long gone .
EDIT: From A Sparks
Reeve and Stedeford were in Broad Street..
Reeve and Stedeford - Graces Guide
Thankyou
EDIT: From A Sparks
Reeve and Stedeford were in Broad Street..
Reeve and Stedeford - Graces Guide
Thankyou
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SteveBhx
master brummie
The next few images are the redevelopment of the Lichfield Road in 1991, first thing is this is a single carriageway, to fix the location - the road sign says Portland Street, but the road we are standing on no longer exists. nothing more to add, note the emptiness on the other side of the road
A Sparks
master brummie
Eric Gibson
master brummie
There's a coincidence, I was in Home bargains in Monmouth yesterday and noted the checkout lady had a Brummy accent, she told me she was from the Pheasey Estate..
SteveBhx
master brummie
Next we move to Portland Street turned around and looking down the road to the Manor Tavern, and here we have sense of normality and a view that you would recognise today. As with many of the more modern images - taken on a Sunday I believe judging by the lack of traffic. nothing more to add - the view speaks for itself
SteveBhx
master brummie
so back onto the Lichfield Road and the last on the roll, plenty of work going on, on both sides of the road, allowing for the road widening. If you remember the start of the roll we had picture of The Vine - we can just see it off in the distance - and between us is now a roundabout!!
Lot more trees around and a green central reservation too these days .
Lot more trees around and a green central reservation too these days .
SteveBhx
master brummie
Roll 48 is the last of the current " processed images" I will have to go and crop and tidy a few more rolls but may process then post so there is not such a long wait - but don't worry we are not running out at a rough count there are another 70 rolls to process!! ( but expect a lot of duplicates and rubbish)
Talking of which half of Roll 48 is taken up with images like this, a page in an album propped up and a picture taken. These are all duplicated and have been posted and fortunately better and more cropped images were taken . Not sure why they were taken as later on this roll were picture from 1991 so why go back and retake images you have already done?
Talking of which half of Roll 48 is taken up with images like this, a page in an album propped up and a picture taken. These are all duplicated and have been posted and fortunately better and more cropped images were taken . Not sure why they were taken as later on this roll were picture from 1991 so why go back and retake images you have already done?