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Newspapers : From Birmingham Post 150 years ago
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brummie nick
master brummie
It look like nothings changed with newspapers then, even in the 1860's they enjoyed 'stirring it up' :courage:
3.6.1863
"Memorial" (meaning letter of request) from wholesale traders) to council listed in council proceedings. I like the appeal on behalf of humanity and the poor horses !
This letter praising the friendly society looks a bit like an advertisement to me, though it is in the correspondence columns,not marked as an advertisement. Advertisements were often interspersed with reports, though usually at the bottom of the page, and often initially looked like genuine reports. Often the Post ended a long discussion in th correspondence columns by saying no more letters on the subject would be published except as an advertisement. Some long arguments were continued, but with "advertisement" printed at the top of the letter.
"Memorial" (meaning letter of request) from wholesale traders) to council listed in council proceedings. I like the appeal on behalf of humanity and the poor horses !
This letter praising the friendly society looks a bit like an advertisement to me, though it is in the correspondence columns,not marked as an advertisement. Advertisements were often interspersed with reports, though usually at the bottom of the page, and often initially looked like genuine reports. Often the Post ended a long discussion in th correspondence columns by saying no more letters on the subject would be published except as an advertisement. Some long arguments were continued, but with "advertisement" printed at the top of the letter.
5.6.1863
The Old Crown has been renovated. The book to which the letter refers would be "Memorials of Old Birmingham . Traditions of the Old Crown House in Der-Yat-End", which is downloadable from internet archive in various formats at https://archive.org/details/memorialsoldbir00smitgoog
The Old Crown has been renovated. The book to which the letter refers would be "Memorials of Old Birmingham . Traditions of the Old Crown House in Der-Yat-End", which is downloadable from internet archive in various formats at https://archive.org/details/memorialsoldbir00smitgoog
Shortie
master brummie
Mike, there were lead-lined coffins, often used to prevent bodily fluids from running out. I think often they were used in catacombs. There were also other metal coffins, not sure if they were iron or steel, but certainly a heavy metal. Just a craze at a time I think, just imagine the weight.
9.6.1863
Prosecuted for giving a neighbour a kettle of water and fined 5 shillings for it. The water companies then were even worse than the electricity companies today.
Apparently (at this time) people could sell British wine(manufactured strong wine similar to VP gut-rot to those who are not aware what it is) without a licence . Strange.
Prosecuted for giving a neighbour a kettle of water and fined 5 shillings for it. The water companies then were even worse than the electricity companies today.
Apparently (at this time) people could sell British wine(manufactured strong wine similar to VP gut-rot to those who are not aware what it is) without a licence . Strange.
Filling a kettle with water from someone else's tap ... Well, how petty!
Remember buying gut rot British wine from an off licence in Bournville (yes Bournville!). They sold it to you in a container drawn off another plastic container. God it was awful stuff and available from one of the rare off-licences in Bournville. It was like someones converted front room in Beaumont Road. No need to elaborate but it did a roaring trade. Say no more. Viv.
Remember buying gut rot British wine from an off licence in Bournville (yes Bournville!). They sold it to you in a container drawn off another plastic container. God it was awful stuff and available from one of the rare off-licences in Bournville. It was like someones converted front room in Beaumont Road. No need to elaborate but it did a roaring trade. Say no more. Viv.
11.6.1863
The advert for the Aston fete shows that the front and grounds of Aston Hall is to be lit by gas
The idea of a cheap restaurant for the working man has come to fruition.
New John St west is probably a place to, preferably, not live
Not a man shall escape ! He is very sure of himself.
The advert for the Aston fete shows that the front and grounds of Aston Hall is to be lit by gas
The idea of a cheap restaurant for the working man has come to fruition.
New John St west is probably a place to, preferably, not live
Not a man shall escape ! He is very sure of himself.
11.6.1863
The advert for the Aston fete shows that the front and grounds of Aston Hall is to be lit by gas
The idea of a cheap restaurant for the working man has come to fruition.
New John St west is probably a place to, preferably, not live
Not a man shall escape ! He is very sure of himself.
The B'ham Dining Halls scheme is interesting. The scheme seems to offer cooked food during the working day for a working man (and perhaps his working wife). Very progressive idea that they could also buy wholesome food to consume at home so that the whole family benefits. What a difference that could make to a family where the adults were out working hard all day.Viv.
13.6.1863
A new chapel planned at Aston villa.
Another case, this time in Birmingham, concerning British wine. Here he was fined for selling a bottle of wine. It was British wine, so that should have been OK, as he did not need a licence, but the assistant said it was foreign, and so he was liable for the fine, not for misrepresentation, but because in the law's eyes it became foreign because the assistant said it was. !!
A new chapel planned at Aston villa.
Another case, this time in Birmingham, concerning British wine. Here he was fined for selling a bottle of wine. It was British wine, so that should have been OK, as he did not need a licence, but the assistant said it was foreign, and so he was liable for the fine, not for misrepresentation, but because in the law's eyes it became foreign because the assistant said it was. !!
13.6.1863
"A new chapel planned at Aston villa."
An interesting fact about the chapel is
"Aston Villa Football Club were formed in March 1874, by four members of the Villa Cross Wesleyan Chapel (known as early as 1867 as Aston Villa Wesleyan Chapel" (Wikipedia) And here it is, a very large chapel. Viv.
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Wendy
Guest
How interesting is the story about the poisoning. I find the story fascinating if not sad, thank goodness things have moved on. I wonder if belladonna is used in anything today! I also found the abode of Vaughton's Hole interesting never heard of this. I presume it was somewhere in Digbeth.
The Wesleyan church must have had strong connections with early football. My gt grandfather Thomas Smith was involved with the Wesleyan Church as well as being involed as secretery in the early days of West Bromwich Albion. I am proud to say he went to a meeting in London attended by William McGregor of Aston Villa.
This is from the club minutes.
On 16[SUP]th[/SUP] March 1888, At a Committee meeting it was resolved that Thomas would attend a conference held in the Andertons Hotel in London, with William McGregor and others, to discuss the formation of the Football league. Once again he proved to be an integral and important figure in the negotiations.
The Wesleyan church must have had strong connections with early football. My gt grandfather Thomas Smith was involved with the Wesleyan Church as well as being involed as secretery in the early days of West Bromwich Albion. I am proud to say he went to a meeting in London attended by William McGregor of Aston Villa.
This is from the club minutes.
On 16[SUP]th[/SUP] March 1888, At a Committee meeting it was resolved that Thomas would attend a conference held in the Andertons Hotel in London, with William McGregor and others, to discuss the formation of the Football league. Once again he proved to be an integral and important figure in the negotiations.
That's a great piece of family history Wendy. I recently heard about the work to form the rules for football league on Radio 4, but afraid I can't remember the programme. (Should have taken a note of the details). Your g. grandfather must also have been involved in those discussions. How wonderful to have been in at the start of what has become the most popular sport in this country. Viv.
Phil
Gone, but not forgotten.
Mike, Vaughtons Hole was at the point on the map where Vaughton Street South crosses the Rea on this map (which is probably one of yours) as you say it was a part of the river that was deeper than the rest of it that was sometimes used for swimming and other leisure uses. But like the rest of Birmingham as industry caught up with it so it slowly disappeared. The one drawing in from 1745 shows it as an almost idyllic country scene, but the second some 86 years later it has been replaced by floodgates now it has gone completely
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Wendy
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Fantastic what a wealth of information on this site. The pictures are lovely Phil thank you.
16.6.1863
Never seen court proceedings used as a recommendation in an advert before
Never heard of the Magdelan Asylum before, but it seems to be a Victorian organization to rescue fallen women , probably aiming to increase the supply of servants fro the upper classes
Never seen court proceedings used as a recommendation in an advert before
Never heard of the Magdelan Asylum before, but it seems to be a Victorian organization to rescue fallen women , probably aiming to increase the supply of servants fro the upper classes
Jayell
master brummie
I saw a film called "The Magdalene Sisters" some years ago. It was about the Magdalene Asylums/Laundries where ''fallen" girls were sent to work for nothing - virtually imprisoned in these institutions run by the Catholic Church. https://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2003/feb/21/artsfeatures1
DavidGrain
master brummie
This was a Church of England Institution. Those run by the Roman Catholic Church were notorious. For recent apolgy by irish Prime Minister see
https://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/19/ireland-apologises-slave-labour-magdalene-laundries
https://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/19/ireland-apologises-slave-labour-magdalene-laundries
17.6.1863
The advert is for "Market House & Tavern", and includes cowsheds. Three years later the pub is sold just as a tavern, and cowsheds are not mentioned. Not clear if the pub in 1863 also served as part of the market, or perhaps provided facilities to hold cows while the farmers got drunk! The Farmers Arms was at 12 Moat row, at the other end to the Birmingham Arms.
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The advert is for "Market House & Tavern", and includes cowsheds. Three years later the pub is sold just as a tavern, and cowsheds are not mentioned. Not clear if the pub in 1863 also served as part of the market, or perhaps provided facilities to hold cows while the farmers got drunk! The Farmers Arms was at 12 Moat row, at the other end to the Birmingham Arms.
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18.6.1863
Would not have thought there would be much of a demand for an anatomical artist, which is perhaps why he was made bankrupt
I known they did not have heath & safety in those days, but even so, Westley Richards would seem to be somewhat negligent , and the GWR don't seem to care much about their employees.
Don't need a sketch artist to "see" this litigant . Lord Dundreary was a character in a popular play of the time who was played by an acter of aprticular appearence, and others tended to copy this appearance if playing the part.
Would not have thought there would be much of a demand for an anatomical artist, which is perhaps why he was made bankrupt
I known they did not have heath & safety in those days, but even so, Westley Richards would seem to be somewhat negligent , and the GWR don't seem to care much about their employees.
Don't need a sketch artist to "see" this litigant . Lord Dundreary was a character in a popular play of the time who was played by an acter of aprticular appearence, and others tended to copy this appearance if playing the part.