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Newspapers : From Birmingham Post 150 years ago
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DavidGrain
master brummie
Yes this is now the Cross City line. There was mention of the trade that the railway had already brought to Sutton in a cutting that Mike posted a few days ago.
A short note on the history from Wikipedia
The station was constructed in 1862, as the northern terminus the line from Birmingham built by the London and North Western Railway. In 1884, the line was extended north to Lichfield, and after the grouping of railway companies in 1923, it came under the control of the London, Midland and Scottish Railway.
A short note on the history from Wikipedia
The station was constructed in 1862, as the northern terminus the line from Birmingham built by the London and North Western Railway. In 1884, the line was extended north to Lichfield, and after the grouping of railway companies in 1923, it came under the control of the London, Midland and Scottish Railway.
13.1.1863
Attempt to derail train at Kings Heath. It appears that police then had already started to examine footprints and compare likley boots and shoes of potential culprits
Not a good copy, but pub landlord appeared to by up to something, insurance fraud perhaps.
Amusing piece about US Army bread. Probably applied to other countries food as well at the time.
Attempt to derail train at Kings Heath. It appears that police then had already started to examine footprints and compare likley boots and shoes of potential culprits
Not a good copy, but pub landlord appeared to by up to something, insurance fraud perhaps.
Amusing piece about US Army bread. Probably applied to other countries food as well at the time.
15.1.1863
And now todays snippets:
Maybe the pubs should have had a petition for all churches to be closed on weekdays.
An indignant non-smoker .
Short measure prosecuted. It sounds like this was a quite common offence then.
Bit of a scandal, but the participants seemed not to care
A costly salute with householders and shopkeepers indignant.
The last was published a number of years before Conan Doyle, not just a lapsed catholic but probably agnostic, invented Sherlock Holmes. Maybe he modelled Prof. Moriarty on Dr Moriarty, Bishop of Kerry.
And now todays snippets:
Maybe the pubs should have had a petition for all churches to be closed on weekdays.
An indignant non-smoker .
Short measure prosecuted. It sounds like this was a quite common offence then.
Bit of a scandal, but the participants seemed not to care
A costly salute with householders and shopkeepers indignant.
The last was published a number of years before Conan Doyle, not just a lapsed catholic but probably agnostic, invented Sherlock Holmes. Maybe he modelled Prof. Moriarty on Dr Moriarty, Bishop of Kerry.
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Wendy
Guest
Another look back at the goings on 150 years ago. I did feel sorry for the lady trying to get her husband back and the short measures. I am also thrilled by the special meeting of master bakers once again at the Wheat Sheaf Inn. My great grandfather would have been there as he was at the former meetings on this subject. Thank you Mike.
DavidGrain
master brummie
I was interested in the story of the short measure of ale. If I remember correctly from all those table on the back of my school exercise books, a gill was a quarter of a pint. For the Inspector of Weights and Measures to say that the glass was almost a gill short of half a pint was a really serious short measure.
paul stacey
master brummie
I see that even as long ago as 1863, there were complaints about tobacco, I dislike even walking past smokers in the street, sound horrific to be surrounded by 12 or more and no way of escape!!
paul
paul
16.1.1863
Master Bakers up in arms. "Be not tempted with their price" sounds like a new commandment to Moses.
An incentive (?) to pay more into the church. but why on earth do they have to pay four separate people to read scriptures. Sounds like jobs for the boys to me.
A young widow's fight with a touch of the News of the world
An original threat to a licensee in brierley hill.
Master Bakers up in arms. "Be not tempted with their price" sounds like a new commandment to Moses.
An incentive (?) to pay more into the church. but why on earth do they have to pay four separate people to read scriptures. Sounds like jobs for the boys to me.
A young widow's fight with a touch of the News of the world
An original threat to a licensee in brierley hill.
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Wendy
Guest
My goodness Mike great grandfather was spreading fire and brimstone me thinks! Thank you so much for yet another interesting piece on my great grandfather and it also confirms where he was living in 1863.
Mike these posts certainly give us an insight into life back then thanks again .
Mike these posts certainly give us an insight into life back then thanks again .
17.1.1863
A big fire in the High St. Have included whole cutting, but had to cut into 3 parts.
The writer of the letter seems inflamed. I wonder what he has in mind to contaminate the people's springs !
Cheeky. The owner might take on more than she could handle if she complied.
A big fire in the High St. Have included whole cutting, but had to cut into 3 parts.
The writer of the letter seems inflamed. I wonder what he has in mind to contaminate the people's springs !
Cheeky. The owner might take on more than she could handle if she complied.
DavidGrain
master brummie
The Metropolitan Fire Brigade in London was not actually formed until 1865 after the date of this newspaper cutting but the insurance company fire brigades in London had been merged under joint command in 1833 which is what this corespondent is asking for.
20.1.1863
It would seem quite common then for staff to be housed on an employers premises.
Illiteracy would be a problem in dealing with the inland revenue, which would be necessary if running a pub.
I would not think Mr Pearson would have appreciated being described in the paper as an "ancient officer".
Exploding bullets. Banned shortly after in 1868, though they seem to have since been permitted if not intended to be used on personnel.
It would seem quite common then for staff to be housed on an employers premises.
Illiteracy would be a problem in dealing with the inland revenue, which would be necessary if running a pub.
I would not think Mr Pearson would have appreciated being described in the paper as an "ancient officer".
Exploding bullets. Banned shortly after in 1868, though they seem to have since been permitted if not intended to be used on personnel.
DavidGrain
master brummie
Shop assistants were regarded in the same relationship as domestic servants and therefore used to "live in". Do you remember the Tommy Steele film Half a Sixpence based on the H G Wells novel Kipps. I think this comes from the times when a merchant would have ashop in the front of his house and probably did not discriminate between domestics and shop staff. I read somewhere but I can't remember where that Rackhams staff lived in over Henrys
21.1.1863
Someone pushing the advantages of the steam fire engine. They had to light the fire when th ecallout came and have a cart with wood fuel follow the engine to keep it supplied.
Effects of the gale in birmingham.
Laying the foundation stone of the Birmingham Exchange.
Health & Safety necessary. Second serious case with acid in a few days
How can they know how it was pronounced. The americans don't know how to pronounce English right even now, and they can hear it !
Someone pushing the advantages of the steam fire engine. They had to light the fire when th ecallout came and have a cart with wood fuel follow the engine to keep it supplied.
Effects of the gale in birmingham.
Laying the foundation stone of the Birmingham Exchange.
Health & Safety necessary. Second serious case with acid in a few days
How can they know how it was pronounced. The americans don't know how to pronounce English right even now, and they can hear it !
HERE IS ANOTHER ONE ;
DATED JANUARY 18.1913.
A peculiar charge of cruelty was laid agaist a bromscrove man at selly oak police court.
richard bridgewater was charged with cruelty with regards to two cows he had driven through northfield .
police constable jones said the cows appeared in great pain as they was taken to be milked ,a gallon being taken from one cow
And half a gallon from the other cow .
The defendant ; said he was taking them to winson green Asylum ,and his employer wanted the asylum staff
to see that they gave plenty of milk
The magistrates dismissed the case , but said that they considered it quite a proper case to bring ;
best wishes astonian;;
DATED JANUARY 18.1913.
A peculiar charge of cruelty was laid agaist a bromscrove man at selly oak police court.
richard bridgewater was charged with cruelty with regards to two cows he had driven through northfield .
police constable jones said the cows appeared in great pain as they was taken to be milked ,a gallon being taken from one cow
And half a gallon from the other cow .
The defendant ; said he was taking them to winson green Asylum ,and his employer wanted the asylum staff
to see that they gave plenty of milk
The magistrates dismissed the case , but said that they considered it quite a proper case to bring ;
best wishes astonian;;
DavidGrain
master brummie
Actally no one knows the correct pronounciation of Latin as there are not many Roman soldiers left in this country. However the practice that ONE OF THE OLD SCHOOL is complaining about is the way that I was taught to pronounce Latin with hard "C"s and "G"s. I read recently of a schoolboy, I think in America, confused over how to pronounce Caesar. His parents pronaounced it Seezar, his teacher pronounced it Kaesar and his priest pronounced it Chaesar.
22.1.1863
Sounds like the female emigration scheme turned into a form of commercialised slavery or possibly prostitution
This gentleman seems to claim he would rather walk to the end of the garden for his toilet than risk effluvious odours and flooding from a sewer connected to his house.
If a one story building is being erected on a site and a photographic establishment over the same then surely that makes it a two story building, or is the photographic establishment open to the sun and air, with no roof?
These happenings sound like something from the Marx Bros.
Master bakers meeting
Revolving mouth bits sound very painful.
Sounds like the female emigration scheme turned into a form of commercialised slavery or possibly prostitution
This gentleman seems to claim he would rather walk to the end of the garden for his toilet than risk effluvious odours and flooding from a sewer connected to his house.
If a one story building is being erected on a site and a photographic establishment over the same then surely that makes it a two story building, or is the photographic establishment open to the sun and air, with no roof?
These happenings sound like something from the Marx Bros.
Master bakers meeting
Revolving mouth bits sound very painful.
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Wendy
Guest
It makes quite harrowing reading these young ladies of the time being shipped to Australia. Much the same as today streets paved with gold springs to mind.
Another Master Bakers meeting I would love to read the minutes.
Another Master Bakers meeting I would love to read the minutes.
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Wendy
Guest
Wow thanks again Mike the problem of the sack pence will take some resuming. Perhaps the threat of a large store selling American flour will do it!
26.1.1863
Arguments over whether roman catholics should be allowed there own separate chapel in witton cemetery.
Old Crown landlord in trouble
Scott Arms landlord has gossip spread about him
Bus conductor fined for allowing too many people on his bus - mind you it was probably for the protection of the poor horse pulling it rather than the customers !
Amazing what antics the churches got up to then.
Worcester landlord's wife apparently no too worried at her husband's suicide
Arguments over whether roman catholics should be allowed there own separate chapel in witton cemetery.
Old Crown landlord in trouble
Scott Arms landlord has gossip spread about him
Bus conductor fined for allowing too many people on his bus - mind you it was probably for the protection of the poor horse pulling it rather than the customers !
Amazing what antics the churches got up to then.
Worcester landlord's wife apparently no too worried at her husband's suicide
27.1.1863
Quibble about master bakers dispute. I think he is implying that the money was meant as a tip to the workers in the mill, and the bosses are trying to get it for themselves.
Firm offering improved lamp only weeks after old ones claimed to be ineffective - that's good enterprise.
Unusual suggestion for getting a job as waitress - live with a pastrycook !!
Quibble about master bakers dispute. I think he is implying that the money was meant as a tip to the workers in the mill, and the bosses are trying to get it for themselves.
Firm offering improved lamp only weeks after old ones claimed to be ineffective - that's good enterprise.
Unusual suggestion for getting a job as waitress - live with a pastrycook !!
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Wendy
Guest
The saga of the sac pence seems to be rolling on I will wait with bated breath for the conclusion.
Well done to Mr H Tomes on his improvement on the railway and police lamp!
Once again many thanks to you Mike for posting these.
Well done to Mr H Tomes on his improvement on the railway and police lamp!
Once again many thanks to you Mike for posting these.
28.1.1863
Sympathy and proposed help for those employees who lost everything in fire.
Looks like the Master Bakers have found another source of flour than those they are fighting
Worries at a watch commitee meeting about trapeze artist performing with child on his back ! this has been advertised as happening for some time, and is still advertised in the same paper as this report.
So Saltley library once had a museum attached.
Sympathy and proposed help for those employees who lost everything in fire.
Looks like the Master Bakers have found another source of flour than those they are fighting
Worries at a watch commitee meeting about trapeze artist performing with child on his back ! this has been advertised as happening for some time, and is still advertised in the same paper as this report.
So Saltley library once had a museum attached.
29.1.1863
Holders Music Hall take notice of watch committee's safety warnings.
Looks like the Master Bakers may be looking for a compromise.
Water supply improved in Birmingham. Presumably the bit about ground floor cisterns is something to do with water pressure noy being high enough before for upstairs cisterns.
another distress sale at the Old Crown (for payment for gas).
Holders Music Hall take notice of watch committee's safety warnings.
Looks like the Master Bakers may be looking for a compromise.
Water supply improved in Birmingham. Presumably the bit about ground floor cisterns is something to do with water pressure noy being high enough before for upstairs cisterns.
another distress sale at the Old Crown (for payment for gas).
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Wendy
Guest
As always Mike facinating reading thank you for including the Bakers and Millers I am saving and putting them together to see the story unfold.