pjmburns
master brummie
Have I missed something? Why do you need 1921 census?
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ROBERT JONES Lyndon Road
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Isnt that the one that gives information after a certain period you have to pay for.
Im getting confused, im an amateur.
You seem to know what your doing more that me Im trying to find anything on william jones after Gladys died in 1945I'm only an amateur as well
What were you hoping to find out from the 1921 to help you?
MWS
from Bham
The 1921 census will be no help in finding out when William died.
I think the hope was that he would be buried with Gladys and the headstone would reveal this. With no headstone that is scuppered, I don't know if you can ask the cemetery who (if anyone) else is buried in the same grave.
With this and with a name like Jones it's guesswork and the purchase of a death certificate to confirm. Unless you have info to doubt it, I still think the most likely is the one registered in Solihull, Mar 1952 but if it isn't you're just wasting your money.
Are you in contact with any descendants of William's other 2 sons - Arthur and Dennis - might they know anything?
I think the hope was that he would be buried with Gladys and the headstone would reveal this. With no headstone that is scuppered, I don't know if you can ask the cemetery who (if anyone) else is buried in the same grave.
With this and with a name like Jones it's guesswork and the purchase of a death certificate to confirm. Unless you have info to doubt it, I still think the most likely is the one registered in Solihull, Mar 1952 but if it isn't you're just wasting your money.
Are you in contact with any descendants of William's other 2 sons - Arthur and Dennis - might they know anything?
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Thank you for looking. My aunty and uncle are going back there monday see if william is cremated and scattered on gladys grave.
Can we not see where he lived from 1945 untill his death with the 1921 census
pjmburns
master brummie
The 1921 census is just a record of him and his family in 1921.
To go after 1945 you would need the next census which is 1951 but that won't be released until at least 2051 (100 years).
The only published record would be electoral rolls but as said before, Solihull's are not online.
To go after 1945 you would need the next census which is 1951 but that won't be released until at least 2051 (100 years).
The only published record would be electoral rolls but as said before, Solihull's are not online.
hi nickie the simple answer is no....the 1921 census is like any other census it will only tell us where a person was living in 1921 however it will give us the exact dates of births of people on that census..it seem to me that what you need is an exact date of birth for william jones...was he married in 1921 and if so do you know who to
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That might help me to have exact dob.
pjmburns
master brummie
Married to Gladys and, I think, MWS has already pointed out they are on the 1921. Nickie needs to register on FMP and buy the record.
He is not with Gladys on 1939 reg. Working elsewhere and hard to find or already in forces.
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He was married in
He was married in 1919 in Merthyr Tydfil wales to Gladys Shirley
They moved to Birmingham Solihull had 3 sons, Arthur, Dennis and Robert William year of death is 1952
MWS
from Bham
Does the 1921 census give an exact dob? If it doesn't there are 5 main ways to find a person's dob and in this instance, for William, none are straightforward.
1. Birth certificate - in 1901 he is listed in Llanddeiniolen and he and his sister's birthplace are listed as such. This is in the Carnarvon registration district. However, even knowing his mmn and searching with such there are a number of results around 1898. His elder brother appears to have been registered Mar 1896, so William's has to be at least 3 qtrs later. Assuming he didn't have a middle name it leaves just 2 - Jun qtr 1897 and Mar qtr 1898 - but I've made a lot of assumptions.
2. Baptism - should (but not always) contain dob but we don't know where this occurred and if it's not online (and it doesn't seem to be) you may have to physically go and find it.
3. 1939 Register - as he is not with Gladys finding him would seem unlikely (even if he is listed).
4. Gravestone - not always listed and even if he is buried with Gladys you know it doesn't exist.
5. Death certificate - which we're guessing at anyway and I'm not sure if it was a requirement that early.
Of the five, the birth certificate obviously seems the most likely (possibly the only) way but as with trying to find his death, with a name like Jones, it's easy to be wrong.
1. Birth certificate - in 1901 he is listed in Llanddeiniolen and he and his sister's birthplace are listed as such. This is in the Carnarvon registration district. However, even knowing his mmn and searching with such there are a number of results around 1898. His elder brother appears to have been registered Mar 1896, so William's has to be at least 3 qtrs later. Assuming he didn't have a middle name it leaves just 2 - Jun qtr 1897 and Mar qtr 1898 - but I've made a lot of assumptions.
2. Baptism - should (but not always) contain dob but we don't know where this occurred and if it's not online (and it doesn't seem to be) you may have to physically go and find it.
3. 1939 Register - as he is not with Gladys finding him would seem unlikely (even if he is listed).
4. Gravestone - not always listed and even if he is buried with Gladys you know it doesn't exist.
5. Death certificate - which we're guessing at anyway and I'm not sure if it was a requirement that early.
Of the five, the birth certificate obviously seems the most likely (possibly the only) way but as with trying to find his death, with a name like Jones, it's easy to be wrong.
pjmburns
master brummie
In post 47 MWS suggests that William was born in 1898 which would make him 53ish if he died in 1952.
There is only one death of a William Jones in Solihull
If we search for Birmingham then there are 3 with just the name William (and a further 9 with a middle name as well). Of the 3 two are in therir 70s and one is 59.
So the best fit is the Solihull one.
There is only one death of a William Jones in Solihull
If we search for Birmingham then there are 3 with just the name William (and a further 9 with a middle name as well). Of the 3 two are in therir 70s and one is 59.
So the best fit is the Solihull one.
Is there anything on there for Arthur or William jones
Or Dennis And address
pjmburns
master brummie
To see any significant info for thec1921 census you need to pay. It is free to search but you can see names but no details. It is on FMP you can register for free and pay per record. £2.50 for transcription or £3.50 to see the original. I think Dennis was born in 1925 so won't be there.
Robert born 1921 but after the census.
Robert born 1921 but after the census.
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It was william i wanted will have a look thank you
MWS
from Bham
What I can glean from the search results for the 1921 census is that William, Gladys and Arthur are living at 121 Deakins Road. William's birthplace is listed as Rhiwlas, Carnarvonshire (mentioned previously) and his occupation is listed as Fitter Labour.
Deakins Road is in the Hay Mills area of Birmingham but in 1921 came under the Kings Norton district.
Pay-per-view 1921 census records are half price atm on findmypast...
www.findmypast.co.uk
Deakins Road is in the Hay Mills area of Birmingham but in 1921 came under the Kings Norton district.
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