Old street pics..

[Shortie]

There is another building next to a baptist church further along the road, which could have been the building in the picture, but none of the other buildings are in the right position. That said, my map from 1913 does not go right up to the Kings Head, so it may be further towards there. You are right about it being a lovely area, a lot of Birmingham's outlying districts were, Handsworth was the same. Sadly, deterioration got in! Carol, I remember Rackhams being built very clearly - I lived in a street in South Yardley were there were few children and only one girl, so I was on my own for a lot of the time. I used to take the bus into town and as Taylor Woodrow had built viewing platforms complete with telephone, that's where I spent my time. I have always liked bricks and mortar, so it was tailer made for me. When you picked the telephone up, the recording told you at what point the building had got to - this was whilst they were doing the footings and possibly the areas underground. Seems a bit of an odd thing for a ten/eleven year old girl to do, but I suppose I had little to do and this was SO interesting! I don't know at what point the viewing platforms were taken away, but I do remember they were painted bright yellow!

 

[Phil]

I'm just about convinced that it is The Plough and Harrow and it is the right hand gable in the photo attached that we are looking at.

 

[Phil]

The other thing is that there seem to be very few building on Hagley Road that encroach quite as near to the pavement as does the large building on the photo. After looking at the maps for that time I find very few buildings that do so. The only ones that are evident to a cursory inspection are near to five ways, KEGS, Assembly Rooms, the plough & harrow, The Oratory. though none of these match up with what is shown on the photo.

 

[Shortie]

Seems to have sufficient chimneys at least Phil. I think you could very well be right.

 

[DavidGrain]

Just a guess but what about Windsor Terrace between the Ivy Bush shops and St Phillips Sixth Form College.


This is a terrace of houses at right angles to the Hagley Road

 

[Dennis Williams]

Sorry to poke my nose into this fascinating conundrum, but may I add another query that I'm struggling with for help....that is, the homes of John Feeney....in particular these blighters that Chinny mentions in his biog copied below...my Gt gt nan lived at 90 Moseley Rd, which is still there, in an impressive row of old Georgian and Victorian mansions opposite the Park....but No 145...?

"According to the 1851 Census, Feeney was living at 145, Highgate - the Moseley Road neighbourhood. Aged 42, he was given as a newspaper proprietor who was born in Ireland. His wife, Barbara, was fifteen years younger than he and was local, having been born in Edgbaston. Living with them were his sister, Margaret White and her son who had been born in New South Wales, Australia; his sister-in-law; two servants and three children. These were Peregrine (thirteen), Mary (eight) and William (six). All were born in Birmingham. Ten years later, Feeney had moved to the more affluent Church Road, Edgbaston where another son, John is noted. Barbara was Feeney's second wife. We do not know the surname of his first wife, Rebecca Sophia, who was the mother of all the children mentioned above and all of who were baptised in Anglican churches. Feeney's marriage to Barbara in 1850 was also consecrated according to the rites of the established Church of England in Saint Peter's and Saint Paul's, the parish church of Aston, and both of them are interred in a vault beneath the Erdington chapel of the church. Feeney was a great benefactor to the church and this may have led to the naming of Frederick Road after him."

So...anything would be a huge bonus, maps included mike...145 Highgate, ...Church Road, Edgbaston ? address..no census available for me yet (too mean)...or Frederick Road old shots? God knows which one!! Sorry....

 

[Jayell]

Not got an answer as to where on Hagley Road Phil's photo was taken, but here is another which looks like the same building taken from the opposite direction. (From Suburban Birmingham). I think it could be the Plough & Harrow too.

 

[Dennis Williams]

Not got an answer as to where on Hagley Road Phil's photo was taken, but here is another which looks like the same building taken from the opposite direction. (From Suburban Birmingham). I think it could be the Plough & Harrow too.

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I think Jayell's bang on Phil....the Pillars clinched it....

 

[carolina]

Dennis. Rebecca Sophia Purvis married John Frederick Feeney 25/12/1833 in Walworth Surrey.

In 1841 he was living with Barbara Feeney nee Wardon in Brighton. They had married 31/8/1850 (as attached)

Hope this helps.

Carol

 

[carolina]

I think Jayell's bang on Phil....the Pillars clinched it....

Well done Judy

 

[Dennis Williams]

Dennis. Rebecca Sophia Purvis married John Frederick Feeney 25/12/1833 in Walworth Surrey.

In 1841 he was living with Barbara Feeney nee Wardon in Brighton. They had married 31/8/1850 (as attached)

Hope this helps.

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Cheers Carolina....have you got his address in Church Rd later when he was in Brum....? Maybe..???

 

[Jayell]

It was Phil's suggestion in the first place Carolina!

 

[carolina]

Dennis will have a look. A bit more info according to Trade Directories/Journals
1849 38 New Street House Moseley
1855 145 Highgate
1866 38 New Street and 11 Church Road
1876 38 New Street and 5.1/2 Cannon Street but now called Jaffray, Feeney and Co.

 

[Dennis Williams]

It was Phil's suggestion in the first place Carolina!

It usually is Judy!

 

[john rees]

Dennis, John Feeney had a tower block (now demolished) of 36 flats named after him. It was just off Long Nuke Road in Bartley Green.
I used to go to a dance at Shenley Fields community centre in the early 1960s and we used to walk passed it on the way there.

 

[carolina]

There is a death for him 2nd quarter 1869.

 

[Dennis Williams]

Dennis will have a look. A bit more info according to Trade Directories/Journals
1849 38 New Street House Moseley
1855 145 Highgate
1866 38 New Street and 11 Church Road
1876 38 New Street and 5.1/2 Cannon Street but now called Jaffray, Feeney and Co.

Cheers Carolina...very useful....and John too...always reliable you lot!

11 Church Road (Yellow), Edgbaston is just up from my old mate and colleague Mike Emens' old pad...No 14 (red ) ..gynaecologist to the gentry! He's shrunk down to Frederick Road now! What a coincidence!!!

 

[carolina]

Bit more

 

[carolina]

His parents were John Feeney 1776-1831 and Jane Malvogue 1778-1883 both from Sligo. He married Rebecca ( who was born in London) in Co Mayo, she died 1849. He moved from Sligo to Brum in 1836. I have also found that it said he formed the Daily Post which became the Birmingham Daily Post, but I dont know if that is confirmed. He also is shown in 1849 as a reporter when he lived in Graham Street. This is a photo of his son born 1839.

 

[carolina]

I have found a photo of 13 Church Road but not 11 but not sure of when it was built.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ell-r-brown/8218122838/in/set-72157622330193131

 

[mikejee]

Dennis
No 145 Highgate in 1851 became 145 Moseley Road by 1867. Moseley road was renumbered by early 1870s and no 145 became 403 . Between 1892 and 1895 the road was renumbered again and 403 became 228. I'm pretty sure that at some time , probably while it was no 403, the houses around it were demolished, and the building on the c1889 map is not the same as in 1851. Originally I think the building was of similar size to those nearer Highgate Place

 

[Phil]

Mike

That looks suspiciously close to Athelstan House which is still at 232 Moseley Road to me, it was the old Junior Remand home at one time which I believe opened in 1911.

 

[mikejee]

Phil
The large houses on that side took up several plots, and I guessed that the one marked 228 would really have been 226-230, but that is a guess. The one immediately south of it is marked as 234. So I think it likely that you are correct in thinking this is Athelstan House, though, as I said before, I think it is not the same house as there in 1851

 

[Phil]

Mike as I said I get the impression it was newly built in 1911 paid for by your old bosses the Cadbury's

 

[Dennis Williams]

Blimey....brilliant as per you two..now mike...given your map and deductions are right. I may be in luck (he said, crossing his fingers) because the house may still be there....two photos, Bing and Google, may prove it ? What do you think...right spot? Next to the Friends Institute, a Cadbury Masterpiece Phil

 

[mikejee]

Dennis
As I said before, I think (but cannot be certain) that the 1851 house was demolished in the late 19th century

 

[Dennis Williams]

Dennis
As I said before, I think (but cannot be certain) that the 1851 house was demolished in the late 19th century

OK....it does look a little too well built to be from 1850s....but I think that's the plot?

 

[mikejee]

Dennis
I've overlaid a map c 1889 on google, as seen below, an to make it clearer have marked area on a plain google shot . It looks like it is on ther site of one end of the building.

 

[Dennis Williams]

Cheers mike...very perspicacious of you...whatever that means...?

 

[Phil]

All the information that is required comes with this photo, it is pre 1914 and is taken on the Bristol Rd at Selly Oak and the bus marked Rednal is on its way the Licky Hills is just approaching Oak Tree Lane on the right of the photo. I think I would have recognised it as Selly Oak without the info, but I'm not sure I would have gotten where it was.