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Newspapers : From Birmingham Post 150 years ago

There is a classic portrait of Matthew Boulton sitting in Soho House with a view of Soho Manufactory out of the window. Have not yet tracked down a copy but no doubt there is one somewhere on the internet.
 
Astoness said:
dont it just charlie...cracking pics and very interesting map there mike...turnpike road is now soho hill and road...the dotted line to the right of that is now hunters road obviously after hunters nursery...under wills and gimbett became nursery terrace then changed to nursery road..i would imagine that wills st was named after wills and gimbett and i also note on the map george barker esq and so barker st was born..then we have colonel vyse and we all know of vyse st...fascinating...just as an aside time team were in south road a few years back uncovering the soho manufactory and an old friend of mine played quite a part in the programme..the team even dug up his parents back garden and patio(he used to live there and as a teenager i visited the house)...they could have gone further back but the back living room would have had to go...amazing to think that all those years back i had no idea was what under that house and still is of course.


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How brilliant is that Lyn. Must have been really exciting for your friend.
 
David Shena Mason has done work on Matthew Boulton and she is really helpful. She helped me a couple of years ago when I was researching the Argent Centre.
 
Oh my goodness Mike I have only just read this been so busy! The Bakers versus Millers article mentions my great grandfather Mr Jennings at the end of the article.
A lovely Christmas present for me and I knew where he was on 19 Dec 1862. Thanks for the lovely Boulton pictures and map as well just so sad.

mikejee said:
19.12.1862
Bakers versus Millers
Complaint in a (not very good) poem
Not sure what the final one is about, but think it must be a plea to the council to improve the pavements.

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I wonder where the Wheat Sheaf Inn was in New Street. I also wonder if the action taken by the bakers against the millers worked. This is so interesting for me as my great grandfather was involved. Thanks Mike without your post I would never have known this snippet of history.
 
I wonder,! in the picture of Matthew Bolton it shows him holding something in his left hand, could this be the very unpopular "Cartwheel Penny" which he undertook at his Birmingham mint, and which was with drawn after traders and business's refused to use as too heavy. Just a thought!!
paul
 
Wendy
The Wheatsheaf is given as no 109 New St. However, with all the rebuilding that took place around New St station, it seems to have been demolished in the late 1860s. The Wheatsheaf is listed in 1868, but gone in 1872. 109 was berween lower Temples st and Stevenson place. At a guess i would say about the middle.
 
paul stacey said:
I wonder,! in the picture of Matthew Bolton it shows him holding something in his left hand, could this be the very unpopular "Cartwheel Penny" which he undertook at his Birmingham mint, and which was with drawn after traders and business's refused to use as too heavy. Just a thought!!
paul
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Interesting Paul. Just zoomed in on it and he doesn't actually seem to be holding it. Almost like it's added as an afterthought. Or maybe it's something with a handle like an eyeglass. Can't make it out. Viv
 
On the Victuallers Database, 1801 to 1828 - Wheat Sheaf, New St.
Joseph & Mary Robinson are Victuallers 1807 - 1815 ( with gaps in the records)
Thomas Pugh is Victualler 1817 - 1827 ( with gaps in the records)

Clarkie
 
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22.12.1862
Christmas festivities have begun with pantomimes at the Theatre Royal & the Royal Concert Hall
Aston Hall also has christmas celebrations. not clear which new road from Aston station has just been opened.
Days Crystal Palace music hall appears to have specialm performances of a predescessor of the black & white minstrels.
New turkish baths. Wonder what the difference between 1st and 2nd class was . maybe 2nd class used recycled steam from 1st class
Tollgate keeper maintains his dignity
Brummagen butter !
Alfred Bird's establishment was in Worcester st then, not digbeth.

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mikejee said:
Wendy
The Wheatsheaf is given as no 109 New St. However, with all the rebuilding that took place around New St station, it seems to have been demolished in the late 1860s. The Wheatsheaf is listed in 1868, but gone in 1872. 109 was berween lower Temples st and Stevenson place. At a guess i would say about the middle.
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no chance of a pic then wend of the wheatsheaf pub but how lovely for you to see your gt grandad get a mention in one of mikes snippets...

lyn
 
Thank you for all the help. I would think the Wheat Sheaf would be a large establishment to hold such meetings. As you say Lyn not much chance of s picture.

Paul Alfred Bird invented baking powder and egg less custard as his wife had an allergy to eggs. He is buried in Key Hill Cemetery.

My Mom used to make the best Roley Poley pudding ever. I remember her boiling it in a saucepan wrapped in a clean meat cloth. What effort these ladies went to to produce such wonderful puddings.
 
Wendy
Below is the cutting on David Jennings from the birm. Post 21.7.1873 that I mentioned in IM

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paul stacey said:
I wonder,! in the picture of Matthew Bolton it shows him holding something in his left hand, could this be the very unpopular "Cartwheel Penny" which he undertook at his Birmingham mint, and which was with drawn after traders and business's refused to use as too heavy. Just a thought!!
paul
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Hi Paul, just can't resist trying to work out items in a painting. This line engraving of Boulton by William Sharp in the National Portrait Gallery is similar. He seems to be holding possibly a case cover in his left hand. Viv.

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Mike said:
Wendy
Below is the cutting on David Jennings from the birm. Post 21.7.1873 that I mentioned in IM

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Thank you very much Mike I am mystified as to why David was advertising the business for rent in 1873. He was there in 1871 and 1881. maybe no body wanted it. Astoness even found a photo of his shop much later but the same building. It is no longer there now. Thanks again for your help.
 
Think I've found an answer to the items in the Boulton painting and drawing. It's probably both i.e. medal in his left hand, eyeglass in his right hand. Probably using the eyeglass to closely examine the medal. Here's a close-up. Viv.

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Thanks for all the info Viv, when you think of what our great city has given to the world, in, innovation, production, and generation in nearly all the sciences, and mass production of all types materials from jewellery, and precious metals, steam machinery, architecture, food stuffs , motor vehicles, ad any other medium you can name, makes me very proud to call myself a Brummie anyway.
paul.
 
Would the Wheatsheaf Inn necessarily be in Birmingham, as this is interesting but is shown as Walsall

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History and Information on the Wheatsheaf Inn at Walsall in Staffordshire ... Located on the corner of Birmingham Street and Grove Terrace, the Wheatsheaf Inn is an ... the southern end of Ablewell Street to New Street, was mentioned in 1535
 
Carolina, the artice states the meeting was held at the house of Mr C J Phillips, The Wheat Sheaf Inn, New Street.
 
Looking at the close up of the Matthew Boulton painting, I would say that he is holding one of his cartwheel pennies in his hand. I remember we had a couple of these when I was a child and living at Soho. Where they came from I have no idea (more than likely they were found in the house or grounds) but I remember playing with them and they looked very similar to what he is shown holding in the portrait. They were quite thick and solid and could easily be mistaken for a medal.
 
That's smashing everyone. So good to get these things sorted. Lucky you Judy. The pennies may have belonged to the great man himself! Maybe one was that in the portrait. Viv.
 
Quite a story Judy. I remember going into the Lower Gallery at the BMAG years ago and seeing a big exhibit of Boulton coins and medals. It may have been a special exhibition because I have never seen a whole collection there in recent years.
 
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