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Hi Colin, brilliant map, will download tomorrow when not at work, looking at it quickly the mill you are referring to possibly comes under the Worcestershire area, which I'm not doing at the moment, but will look up at the weekend for you, it might be that it is incorporated in the area for your site, no doubt my partner in crime will put me right about the area :smitten:
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Colin B if you want a better copy of the map I will zoom you one over I have it in a book called Medieval Yardley.
Ya right Loisand,Worcs.
Ya right Loisand,Worcs.
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Thank you Graham,the map was taken from The History of Greater Birmingham -down to 1830 by Victor Skipp,a local man ,published 1980.I have borrowed a number of books off a friend,including local history and transport,buses and trams etc.so spending lots of time reading.
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Colin B, Victor also wrote Medieval Yardley which is a cracking book, would you happen to have a picture of Bournebrook as I have a picture of the soldiers that where their in Great War
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John, That Mill is the Bee's knees Great couple of pic's
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Loisand, Do you intend to publish all this info. If so please let me know where I can get a copy.
Hi Mike, it wasn't my intention at first, I was just interested in old Warwickshire (the entire county) then when I found this website things got a wee bit out of hand, and one thing led to another. I've always been interested in mills and windmills and Rod asked a question, I said yes, now the research has started, at present I have found info, large and small on over a 100 mills just in the Warwickshire area. I am trying to keep it just to the old Warwickshire county, so sometimes I have trouble determing where the boundary was. Then Colin B asked the same about Kings Heath area, which came under the Worcstershire county, so that part is just about to be started. At the end of it all, which will still take alot of time to collate all the info I plan to put it all onto CD, where that leads to we will just have to wait and see. It is thanks to you and everyone on this site that a little acorn has grown into a big oak tree, and I am eternally grateful to you all for the help that you are giving me :smitten: :smitten: :smitten:
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Medieval Yardley Large pic so once you have downloaded I will reduce it
After looking back on the maps of this section, I find that I'm abit stuck with addresses and where some names that I will print below appertain to as far as maps and what the mill was probably called when we started this research. I'm hoping that somebody can shine a little light for me and either point me in the right direction or give me a clue:
BUCKINGHAM STREET ROLLING MILLS, GIBSON MILL CAMBRIDGE STREET,
J.W.COCKLE & CO, 23 BARTHOLOMEW STREET, SAW MILLS, BRADFORD STREET,
BORDESLEY PATENT TUBE MILLS, LIVERPOOL STREET,
SHADWELL STREET MILLS, NILE FOUNDARY, SHEEPCOTE STREET,
ROLLING MILLS, FAZELEY STREET.
Thanks in advance
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BUCKINGHAM STREET ROLLING MILLS, GIBSON MILL CAMBRIDGE STREET,
J.W.COCKLE & CO, 23 BARTHOLOMEW STREET, SAW MILLS, BRADFORD STREET,
BORDESLEY PATENT TUBE MILLS, LIVERPOOL STREET,
SHADWELL STREET MILLS, NILE FOUNDARY, SHEEPCOTE STREET,
ROLLING MILLS, FAZELEY STREET.
Thanks in advance
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Aston Brook Flour Mills large format cropped from a bigger map so I will reduce the size a bit later
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Foun this in a book
DERITEND BRIDGE.
DERITEND BRIDGE
Cooper's Mill, situated upon the extremity of the parishes of Aston and Birmingham, 400 yards below this bridge, was probably first erected in the peaceable ages of Saxon influence and continued a part of the manorial estate till the disposal of it in 1730.
Before the water was dammed up to supply the mill, it must have been so shallow, as to admit a passage between Digbeth and Deritend, over a few stepping stones ; and a gate seems to have been placed upon the verge of the river to prevent the encroachments of the cattle. The original name, Dugdale tells us, was Derryyate-end. My worthy friend, William Hamper, Esq. from what he has observed in ancient writings, believes it to have been The Rea-gate-end, from the river, which is called the Rea; and this is doubtless the true etymology.
The mill afterwards causing the water to be dammed up, gave rise to a succession of paltry bridges, chiefly of timber, to preserve a communication between the two streets. But in later ages, the passage was dignified with those of stone. In 1750, a wretched one, was taken down, and another erected by Henry Bradford and John Collins, overseers of the highway, consisting of five arches ; but the homely style, the steep ascent, and the circumscribed width, prevented encomium.
This bridge was demolished in 1789, for one a very little more useful, but less handsome.
DERITEND BRIDGE.
DERITEND BRIDGE
Cooper's Mill, situated upon the extremity of the parishes of Aston and Birmingham, 400 yards below this bridge, was probably first erected in the peaceable ages of Saxon influence and continued a part of the manorial estate till the disposal of it in 1730.
Before the water was dammed up to supply the mill, it must have been so shallow, as to admit a passage between Digbeth and Deritend, over a few stepping stones ; and a gate seems to have been placed upon the verge of the river to prevent the encroachments of the cattle. The original name, Dugdale tells us, was Derryyate-end. My worthy friend, William Hamper, Esq. from what he has observed in ancient writings, believes it to have been The Rea-gate-end, from the river, which is called the Rea; and this is doubtless the true etymology.
The mill afterwards causing the water to be dammed up, gave rise to a succession of paltry bridges, chiefly of timber, to preserve a communication between the two streets. But in later ages, the passage was dignified with those of stone. In 1750, a wretched one, was taken down, and another erected by Henry Bradford and John Collins, overseers of the highway, consisting of five arches ; but the homely style, the steep ascent, and the circumscribed width, prevented encomium.
This bridge was demolished in 1789, for one a very little more useful, but less handsome.
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The History of Birmingham 1918
By William Hutton F.A.S.S. continued to the present day by Catherine Hutton
By William Hutton F.A.S.S. continued to the present day by Catherine Hutton
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Extract from a book Birminghams Growth 1900
had been built a large hotel, the Hen and Chickens, and a fine new Theatre. "We must not hastily conclude from this that New Street had entirely lost its semi-rural appearance, for the site of the present Town Hall was a pleasant, meadow, and corn still grew on Bennett's Hill.
Even Deritend was no longer " one street going up alonge," in the words of old Leland, for the parallel streets, Bradford Street and Cheapside, were now being opened and built upon. Of this district a writer, whose recollections of old Birmingham appeared in the Daily Gazette, 1866, says:—"In those times the river Rea was a nice clear stream, always full of water, kept so by the floodgates below Deritend bridge. A little higher up the stream than the floodgates were some pleasant tea gardens, called Spring Gardens, well wooded down to the river's edge, having pretty walks, grottoes, and arbours. Here in summer time, I have often seen groups of tea-parties enjoying this rural retreat. The inn, I fancy, is still standing in Floodgate Street. There used to be pleasure boats, for rowing parties up the river under Deritend bridge. Having passed Bradford Street and Cheapside bridges, they arrive at the lovely sequestered and elegant gardens of the Apollo House in Moseley Street."
It is in connection with this opening of Bradford Street that Dr. Langford gives the following advertisement, which appeared in Aris's Gazette of August 3rd, 1767. It reads to us like a fable.
To be given gratis
Some Fee Land, pleasantly situated for building on in Bradford Street, Deritend, to any person that will build upon the said land, and carry on a considerable trade there.
had been built a large hotel, the Hen and Chickens, and a fine new Theatre. "We must not hastily conclude from this that New Street had entirely lost its semi-rural appearance, for the site of the present Town Hall was a pleasant, meadow, and corn still grew on Bennett's Hill.
Even Deritend was no longer " one street going up alonge," in the words of old Leland, for the parallel streets, Bradford Street and Cheapside, were now being opened and built upon. Of this district a writer, whose recollections of old Birmingham appeared in the Daily Gazette, 1866, says:—"In those times the river Rea was a nice clear stream, always full of water, kept so by the floodgates below Deritend bridge. A little higher up the stream than the floodgates were some pleasant tea gardens, called Spring Gardens, well wooded down to the river's edge, having pretty walks, grottoes, and arbours. Here in summer time, I have often seen groups of tea-parties enjoying this rural retreat. The inn, I fancy, is still standing in Floodgate Street. There used to be pleasure boats, for rowing parties up the river under Deritend bridge. Having passed Bradford Street and Cheapside bridges, they arrive at the lovely sequestered and elegant gardens of the Apollo House in Moseley Street."
It is in connection with this opening of Bradford Street that Dr. Langford gives the following advertisement, which appeared in Aris's Gazette of August 3rd, 1767. It reads to us like a fable.
To be given gratis
Some Fee Land, pleasantly situated for building on in Bradford Street, Deritend, to any person that will build upon the said land, and carry on a considerable trade there.
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Loisand I found this picture with a mill in the background
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I also foound this about Pickards Mill,1791. I will have to upload it in two parts the filre is too big.
The photo and the write up are courtesy of Chirs Upton's book the History of Birmingham
The photo and the write up are courtesy of Chirs Upton's book the History of Birmingham
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Thanks Di, I will download them. I love it, all the help you are giving is very much appreciated, can't wait to get to central library to find more info out, the research is coming along grand, but each new bit of info also can produce new mills. Once again thanks for the help :smitten:
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