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Iommi family

pjmburns said:
If you found a stone today could you read the names?
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Yes I’ll put the stone below. I looked on find a grave and there’s one individual that has put a lot of graves on from st Joseph’s and some have a number and one or two have a letter first, but I noticed
there was a 5 , so it doesn’t go up to 4, so I no longer think abcd is the equivalent to 1234. If that makes sense.

Top one reads Edward Tye and the second is Ellen Jennings
 

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Sister Catherine is back at st Joseph’s tomorrow and I’m meeting her and she will try and assist me so that’s good news.

Also I wondered if anyone has the time .
Rodolfo p Iommi, mothers name Igina Roia,
Dad is Albert Iommi. It’s showing that Rodolfo is still alive, would anyone be able to find the last known address for him please :)
 
Last address is in Bedford, listed as Randolph. Married twice, 3 children from first marriage.
 
MWS said:
Last address is in Bedford, listed as Randolph. Married twice, 3 children from first marriage.
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Actually, thought that was wrong but you could be right. ok great Bedford that gives me a starting point, thank you.
 
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Marina married Mario Cancia, I did wonder what happened to them.

I assume Rodolfo anglicized his name. When he married Bridget Desmond in 1955 he is listed as both Rudolpho P and Randolph.

There are 3 Iommi/Desmond children registered - Christopher R, Patrick P & Teresa M.
 
MWS said:
Marina married Mario Cancia, I did wonder what happened to them.

I assume Rodolfo anglicized his name. When he married Bridget Desmond in 1955 he is listed as both Rudolpho P and Randolph.

There are 3 Iommi/Desmond children registered - Christopher R, Patrick P & Teresa M.
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Yes the sister Marina went back to Italy with her husband. But I know Rodolfo stayed here. Thanks for that, more info to add to the tree….
Makes sense as I just saw a Desmond tree. So I might pop them a message :) I’d love to speak to Rodolfo but he must be in his 90s now….
 
MWS said:
Is there a connection? Desmond is a reasonably common name.
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yes so if Rodolfo married a Desmond, When I searched earlier, I saw Desmond family tree come up as we shared some names, So I assumed it was related that way, but I could be wrong and now I can't find it at all.
 
I have an update. So St Josephs managed to find an earlier map for me today. It listed the plot numbers how they're written at St chads, so I was able to locate the section for Giuseppes plot, (Maria should be with him too) although no records were written down in 1939, she isn't at any other cemetery and it makes sense they would be buried together. So we were able to pin point the section today and it isn't all that big. The area needs striming so that will get done in the next week. This map isn't the original but she said if it was written down on there its presumed there is a headstone. Felice and Angelina also have the 4 infront of their plot so they should be in the same section but they're not noted on the map. We also came across a Musticone in the same section, so ill try to figure out who that is.
The other maps and particularly the one I uploaded the other day are of no use at all. The surveyors done it in 2002 and the system they used to note down plot info was completely different to how it originally was. Then another small map and book with all the entries was there swell, but yet again the person who done it has come up with a different system. I was booked into st chads in a few weeks to cross reference some graves but hopefully I won't need to do that now :)
 
suzanne your journey reminds me of the mission i had finding our where my dads little brother harry was buried in wales...he was an evacuee from birmingham and died aged 6 after complications during an operation for appendicitis .. after eventually finding the correct church and due to covid it took over 2 years to find him...like yourself finding old maps was a problem..so dont give up ..if you would like to read a bit of my journey read from post 21 to 31 on the below thread post 31 shows a photo of the wooden marker i was kindly allowed to place down for harry..you never know that maybe st josephs would allow you to do the same if you cant find a headstone but you would need permission..just something to think about

lyn

Astoness

Thread 'REMEMBRANCE DAY 2021/2022'

please use this thread to remember your relatives who died during ww1 and ww2.. 4 of my relatives from birmingham..GOD BLESS THEM ALL


HARRY FROGGET KIA IN FRANCE 6th of dec 1916 aged 21..harry had been married a few short months..

EDITH ELLEN HARRINGTON aged 59
HERBERT WALTER HARRINGTON aged 60 both died as a result of enemy action 1942 at minstead road erdington

GEORGE THOMAS WOOD DIED OF WOUNDS 21.2.1916 buried at lijssenthoek war cemetary belgium

i will also be thinking of my dads little brother who was evacuated to monmouthshire wales and who sadly died aged just 6 due to...
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Astoness said:
suzanne your journey reminds me of the mission i had finding our where my dads little brother harry was buried in wales...he was an evacuee from birmingham and died aged 6 after complications during an operation for appendicitis .. after eventually finding the correct church and due to covid it took over 2 years to find him...like yourself finding old maps was a problem..so dont give up ..if you would like to read a bit of my journey read from post 21 to 31 on the below thread post 31 shows a photo of the wooden marker i was kindly allowed to place down for harry..you never know that maybe st josephs would allow you to do the same if you cant find a headstone but you would need permission..just something to think about

lyn

Astoness

Thread 'REMEMBRANCE DAY 2021/2022'

please use this thread to remember your relatives who died during ww1 and ww2.. 4 of my relatives from birmingham..GOD BLESS THEM ALL


HARRY FROGGET KIA IN FRANCE 6th of dec 1916 aged 21..harry had been married a few short months..

EDITH ELLEN HARRINGTON aged 59
HERBERT WALTER HARRINGTON aged 60 both died as a result of enemy action 1942 at minstead road erdington

GEORGE THOMAS WOOD DIED OF WOUNDS 21.2.1916 buried at lijssenthoek war cemetary belgium

i will also be thinking of my dads little brother who was evacuated to monmouthshire wales and who sadly died aged just 6 due to...
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Hi lyn, ahh i will read it now, that's amazing you managed to find him in the end. :))
 
Suzanneiom said:
Yes the sister Marina went back to Italy with her husband. But I know Rodolfo stayed here. Thanks for that, more info to add to the tree….
Makes sense as I just saw a Desmond tree. So I might pop them a message :) I’d love to speak to Rodolfo but he must be in his 90s now….
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One of Rodolfo's sons appears to be living in the US, Texas I think.
 
Just wanted to share the map that was found at st Joseph’s. you can see on the 2nd one where iommi is. On the first one, it’s easy to work out where this is, as I know where the girls playground use to be and the north wall.
So we’ve been a few times now, and we can locate most of those stones, and they are pretty much in the right place.

So whoever done this map, I thought would have gone round this section, placed surnames in the correct location and then got the plot number from st chads to put underneath. sister Catherine mentioned that for the name and plot to be there on the map, there must of been a stone. I just don’t know how else someone would place it there when the numbers really aren’t in order.

So I have pretty much found the section. I don’t know why the other Iommi grave is not listed…. Perhaps there was no stone or it wasn’t visible at the time.

Anyway we’ve gone today and we found lots of scallop borders, which aren’t a grave boarder with names or details on, it’s just for decoration. These are in and around the area I’m certain of. But I can’t see a stone with it. Now we bought a shovel, to try and dig round and to feel for headstones. We came across stone, but it always seemed to be a brick or nothing useful.

There are lots of graves that I cannot see a headstone in that area with a name & plot, but I’m guessing some have sunk…

So I’m un sure of my next move. Other than going back to strim Which would really help. Do I continue to dig from the boarders to see ..
 

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MWS said:
A bit of a random question. Where did your dad's maternal grandmother come from? Was she Italian as well?
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Hi, so my nan always said she had some Italian in her, but after doing the tree ive found no evidence of that, and my dad seems to think that side is British :) it was just his dads side of family that was Italian :) have you found something?
 
Assuming I've got the right people.

I have your nan was Violet Miles and she was very young (just 16?) when she married your grandad?

I have her mother as Alexandra Perca and though on the 1921 census her birthplace appears to be listed as Bham I'm fairly certain that's not correct.
 
MWS said:
Assuming I've got the right people.

I have your nan was Violet Miles and she was very young (just 16?) when she married your grandad?

I have her mother as Alexandra Perca and though on the 1921 census her birthplace appears to be listed as Bham I'm fairly certain that's not correct
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you have the right people, and yes violet was very young when she married.
Why do you think it isn’t right , could you share the census:) I’ve never seen it
 
There doesn't appear to be birth reg. for her under her name or anything similar and she seems to be the only person with the surname Perca in the Bham area. Her marriage is possibly the only example of her surname in all the bmd registrations.

So I'd say her birthplace is wrong in 1921 or she has totally changed her name.
 
Hmmm… I don’t know…. It said the name could have some Spanish origin, and I have a small amount of Spanish in my dna which I don’t know where comes from?!
 
That line might be a brick wall then unfortunately, unless family knowledge can she light on things. That wrong birthplace (if it is wrong) is a bit of a killer, even a correct birthplace may not have helped, depending where it was.
 
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That line might be a brick wall then unfortunately, unless family knowledge can she light on things. That wrong birthplace (if it is wrong) is a bit of a killer, even a correct birthplace may not have helped, depending where it was.
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I will ask my aunt this week, if she doesn’t know then if will be tricky.

But i tell you what would be useful, I have 2 missing children from felice & Angelina , That I would like to find. I have 4 so far :)
 
I've got 5 children for Felice and Angelina but I wouldn't be completely certain for all of them - Anna, Maria, Giuseppe, Eleuterio and Giovanni.
 
pjmburns said:
According to the 1911 census they had 8 children but 2 had died by 1911
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Yes 2 died :(
MWS said:
I've got 5 children for Felice and Angelina but I wouldn't be completely certain for all of them - Anna, Maria, Giuseppe, Eleuterio and Giovanni.
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So the only one I haven’t got is Maria.
Now do you think it’s the same Maria who married Luigi musticone. They had a child Maria, who became a musticone, but she then married back into the iommi family by marrying Francesco.

All the others you said are correct. I’ve been speaking to Eleuterios family in America :)
 
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