Iommi family

[MWS]

Yes, John William Rogers 1888 - 1968.

He could done perhaps.

 

[Suzanneiom]

Yes, John William Rogers 1888 - 1968.

He could done perhaps.

Well thanks for all the info, ive added it all to the tree.

 

[Suzanneiom]

Yes, John William Rogers 1888 - 1968.

He could done perhaps.

I found a 1939 census record
With both parents living with john & Fredrick Rogers.
My nan isn’t on there and she would have been 9 years

 

[pjmburns]

She is most likely the redacted entry under Frederick.

 

[Suzanneiom]

She is most likely the redacted entry under Frederick.

Are right I see, ive noticed that happens on the 1939 census

Also exciting news, I am booked in at the church tomorrow to go through the register and then the map.
I said I already had two plot details but he wants me to look again incase they're wrong. So will be interesting to see if its blank for the whole year of 1939 for Maria. Also maybe Angelina has plot info, as I only have Giuseppe and Felice info. But I think I would be the same details there as I got from st Chads.

 

[pjmburns]

When the 1939 register was released in 2015 anyone under the age of 100 unless proved to have died was redacted. The register is supposed to be updated so people dying since should now be visible but there seems to be a time lag. (FMP is sometimes ahead of Ancestry in this respect) There were also errors.

 

[Suzanneiom]

When the 1939 register was released in 2015 anyone under the age of 100 unless proved to have died was redacted. The register is supposed to be updated so people dying since should now be visible but there seems to be a time lag. (FMP is sometimes ahead of Ancestry in this respect) There were also errors.

Well I never knew that. Thanks for that info.

 

[MWS]

I found a 1939 census record
With both parents living with john & Fredrick Rogers.
My nan isn’t on there and she would have been 9 years

Probably been there for just a few years at most, moving from Brearley St. The lived at 1 court 46 which was the back house to no. 284 where John's father and brother lived.

Just a short distance from where my step mom's mom lived at no. 246.

 

[Suzanneiom]

Probably been there for just a few years at most, moving from Brearley St. The lived at 1 court 46 which was the back house to no. 284 where John's father and brother lived.

Just a short distance from where my step mom's mom lived at no. 246.

Yes I know my nan more or less grew up in moorside road yardley wood, so the above is where they lived before hand? interesting. Ive just looked on maps and it looks like the houses have gone from there too. Did they live there around the same time?

 

[Astoness]

hi suzanne did you have any luck at st josephs today ?

lyn

 

[Suzanneiom]

hi suzanne did you have any luck at st josephs today ?

lyn

Hi Lyn

So sister Catherine has been away ever since Ive been visiting the last few weeks, I had left details with someone else there and then he went away on holiday. I went back Thursday just gone and spoke to the family living upstairs there who contacted sister Catherine who has passed on where the burial register and map is. So me and my dad went today for mass (we've somehow ended up going every Sunday since ) we are catholic but not all that religious, and we are booked in tomorrow at 10am to look through the register and map. I did say I had two of the plots but he said re look incase they're wrong. Im interested to see if there are any entries for 1939 as st chads didn't have any.
So im super excited. There's a guy who volunteers twice a week to try and sort the churchyard who will be helping me cut back where ever they are as half of it is overgrown, so while im there ill be helping to do the whole lot may as well as its a shame that they've been forgotten about. But then again maybe the family is no longer here.

 

[MWS]

Yes I know my nan more or less grew up in moorside road yardley wood, so the above is where they lived before hand? interesting. Ive just looked on maps and it looks like the houses have gone from there too. Did they live there around the same time?

All the back to backs of inner city Bham have gone and many roads have been altered so you're lucky if you find a relevant pre 1950s building still standing.

Yes, the family seem to have lived at 284 Brearley St for some years and when John & Florence married or soon after they appear to have moved into the back house.

Yes, they overlapped for a few years. Pretty sure my step mom was born there and lived there as well for a while.

 

[Astoness]

Hi Lyn

So sister Catherine has been away ever since Ive been visiting the last few weeks, I had left details with someone else there and then he went away on holiday. I went back Thursday just gone and spoke to the family living upstairs there who contacted sister Catherine who has passed on where the burial register and map is. So me and my dad went today for mass (we've somehow ended up going every Sunday since ) we are catholic but not all that religious, and we are booked in tomorrow at 10am to look through the register and map. I did say I had two of the plots but he said re look incase they're wrong. Im interested to see if there are any entries for 1939 as st chads didn't have any.
So im super excited. There's a guy who volunteers twice a week to try and sort the churchyard who will be helping me cut back where ever they are as half of it is overgrown, so while im there ill be helping to do the whole lot may as well as its a shame that they've been forgotten about. But then again maybe the family is no longer here.

great good luck tomorrow

lyn

 

[Suzanneiom]

All the back to backs of inner city Bham have gone and many roads have been altered so you're lucky if you find a relevant pre 1950s building still standing.

Yes, the family seem to have lived at 284 Brearley St for some years and when John & Florence married or soon after they appear to have moved into the back house.

Yes, they overlapped for a few years. Pretty sure my step mom was born there and lived there as well for a while.

Ive just had a quick google of the back to back houses as wasn't sure what they looked like, I read most were taken down by 1950 like you say.
Small world they both overlapped at some point.

 

[Astoness]

hi suzanne just to say that there were still plenty of back to back houses still standing in the early 1970s..depending on the area...i was born in my nans back to back in aston in 1953 nan stayed there until she was forced out in the late 1960s due to demo...you may already know this but the only surviving back to back houses run by the national trust are in hurst street and they do guided tours...well worth a visit the link to this is below

lyn

Birmingham Back to Backs | West Midlands

Explore 200 years of working peoples' lives on a guided tour of the Birmingham Back to Backs, a carefully restored court of houses built literally back-to-back.

www.nationaltrust.org.uk

 

[Suzanneiom]

hi suzanne just to say that there were still plenty of back to back houses still standing in the early 1970s..depending on the area...i was born in my nans back to back in aston in 1953 nan stayed there until she was forced out in the late 1960s due to demo...you may already know this but the only surviving back to back houses run by the national trust are in hurst street and they do guided tours...well worth a visit the link to this is below

lyn

Birmingham Back to Backs | West Midlands

Explore 200 years of working peoples' lives on a guided tour of the Birmingham Back to Backs, a carefully restored court of houses built literally back-to-back.

www.nationaltrust.org.uk

I didn't know that, thanks so much, Im going to book a tour round that would be really interesting for me to see. I never knew they done anything like that.

 

[Suzanneiom]

So I’m glad I went to St Chads first as they seem to be the only place that hold the original register for St Josephs.

I was hoping to see it today, but it’s more typed up documents and some hand written. I found no Iommis in any books BUT luckily I had two plots anyway.

In the St Chads one both were section 4.
when he got the map out it was huge! There was no section 4, rather A,B,C,D. I assumed section D would be section 4. I located plot 87 & 183 which I’ll show on the photos below. Plot 87 shows a small headstone and 183 the same style . It was quite easy to locate 87 (Felice) but the the stone is not visable, I can see the ground around it is raised, so I’ll be starting this week to uncover it! Fingers crossed it doesn’t take to long. The grave is situated next to the big stone in the photo below, to the right.
Plot 183(Giuseppe) I located where abouts. But I need to go back with help so I am unsure if his stone is completely buried but I will get to it.

 

[Astoness]

good luck suzanne you seem to be getting somewhere now...please keep us updated

lyn

 

[Suzanneiom]

good luck suzanne you seem to be getting somewhere now...please keep us updated

lyn

Hope so, I’ll be going tomorrow to start uncovering the stone.
will do

 

[Suzanneiom]

On Giuseppe & Felice burial record, do you no or can anyone take a guess what it says between their name and the plot detail?

 

[pjmburns]

My guess is

How many people the plot is for - both look like 2
Then either 1st or 2nd int(ernment).

 

[Suzanneiom]

My guess is

How many people the plot is for - both look like 2
Then either 1st or 2nd int(ernment).

So when I was doing research it said that St Josephs was one of the only catholic churches to not bury random people together. So im hoping if it was for two people that Angelina his wife is in there. When I asked AI about the small rectangle square by the plot number they said it could indicate a single grave and bigger shape ones for 2 or families? what do you think?
Do you think there's a posiblilty there is no stone at all?

 

[pjmburns]

Now Ive got my lap-top on and can see. properly

Felice - reop(ened) 2: last int(ernment) 4/87
Guiseppe - priv(ate) 1st int(ernement) 4/183
Angelina - left blank.

What small square? I can only see "No" for number.

Unfortunately, the records don't indicate whether there is a stone.

 

[Suzanneiom]

Now Ive got my lap-top on and can see. properly

Felice - reop(ened) 2: last int(ernment) 4/87
Guiseppe - priv(ate) 1st int(ernement) 4/183
Angelina - left blank.

What small square? I can only see "No" for number.

Unfortunately, the records don't indicate whether there is a stone.

oh blimey thanks for that, so there's defo two in Felices plot, I really do hope its Angelina as she went first.
With the small square sorry I was referring to the maps I uploaded yesterday.

 

[pjmburns]

Oh right - have no idea about that. It is a possibility

 

[Astoness]

i cant see a rectangle either jan...maybe suzanne means its on the maps..

lyn

 

[Suzanneiom]

right update…… sorry for the long post.

So took a friend with me today to look at plot 87. We started from the bottom and counted each gravestone until we got to 87.
When we got there we realised a stone was in its place already, the one I had taken next to where I thought the plot was. So we done it a second time to confirm, and plot 87 has two people that are not my relatives.

Then the guy arrived who helps tidy the yard so we went to find 183. It was not there and the gravestones were actually late 1800s, early 1900 so I knew it just didn’t fit in. So I thought ok what if section 4 isnt section D. Because the areas in the cemetery are listed as - abcd.

So I went to look for the map again to see if there were any other 183 and 87 anywhere.
So on the big map, I’ll put it below again, the left of the church is pretty blank as they haven’t filled out the boxes with any numbers, then I realised I saw a hand drawn map of that section with the numbers. Which I’ll put below. You can see that there is a 183 and an 87 but this is section A, so maybe the number 4 before the plots that I have from st Chads is section 4 of section A?!!! But we didn’t have time to look today.

I’m at a loss now. I need the original map.
The big map below is 2002. And as I said yesterday st Joseph’s did not have any plot info for my family, only st chads. So if they filled out that map in 2002 and only used their own sources then they won’t be there.

Does that make sense?!

Does anyone have any suggestions.

I’m going to go back Thursday to check out the left hand side.

Added below left hand side of 2002 which is empty and another part someone has done that fits in with that left side which is section A.

 

[MWS]

You could find the names from plot 87 in the records to see what it says and how it compares to what it says next to your relatives.

You could also compare some of the names from headstones still standing in different sections to get some bearings.

 

[Suzanneiom]

You could find the names from plot 87 in the records to see what it says and how it compares to what it says next to your relatives.

You could also compare some of the names from headstones still standing in different sections to get some bearings.

this is what ill do, just not easy to get my hands on the records. I might see if I can get an appointment at st chads.

 

[pjmburns]

If you found a stone today could you read the names?