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Icknield Street

Re post No 82 PMC 1947.......The No2 pic is of NUMBER 8 bus on the Monument Road, the bank on the left of pic is on the corner of Icknield port Road.......
The No 4 pic shows the Gothic building to the left is Spring Hill Library. Great Pics Phil.........

Re post No184 The newsagents to left of this pic, is Billy Howards he also sold newspapers outside of The George and Dragon in the evening.
The shop by the belisha beacon is PRUDENS Gents Hairdressers, facing The Warstone public house. next to the pub was a specialist
Tabacconist, and farther along towards the Library was a PAWN Brokers and an Hardware shop and fruiters........
 
Hi liberty10,

Thanks for your input, although I visited Ladywood and Hockley quite frequently I would never claim to be an expert on these areas. I am very happy to accept your interpretation of the photos in question and I'm afraid I will have to put it down once again to a couldn't care less attitude displayed by some of these pictorial history book researchers. Once again thanks for putting me on the right path or should I say road.

By the way the name is,

Phil
 
Hi all,

I have just read through most of this thread to obtain information on Icknield Street since I didn't frequent that area when I was young, but spent my time in Ladywood where I went to school, however I found out today, when I received a marriage certificate from the register office, that my Great Grandmother was living at 108 Icknield Street when she got married in 1872. She was married at St. Chads Cathedral.
Her husband gave his address as Everingham Hall, in Everingham , Yorkshire where he had been born and where he then worked as a butler or valet. In the 1872 census they were both recorded as being in service. He at Everingham Hall and she at Hagley Hall, Rugeley, where she had been born and brought up. What I am trying to work out is, how they came to meet since they were both in service, more than a hundred miles apart, the same year they were married and if she was living in Icknield Street for any length of time. Also are there any pictures or information as to the location of 108 Icknield Road. The names of My Great Grandparents were William Thomas born Everingham 1847 and Louisa mary Cash born Rugeley 1848.

Again thanks in anticipation,

Humph
 
Trouble is humph, in 1872 there was an Icknield st west (which became monument rd.) and an icknield st east, both separately numbered. No 108 Icknield St east was on the east side of the street just south of the junction with warstone lane. 108 IOcknield st west was on the east side of what is now monument road between ledsam st and Gt. Tyndall St.
Mike
 
Hi Mike,
On the marriage cert. it actually says Icknield Street East Birmingham. I thought it meant East Birmingham and not Icknield Street East. Well I know at least where it was close to.

Thats great Mike, thanks -- again

Humph
 
During Victorian times when the better off went visiting their friends and aquaintances personal servants would often travel as well. So a Ladies Maid and a Man Servant/Gentlemans Dresser would have the chance of travel and meet new people of a similar class. Butlers and Housekeepers would stay behind and make sure the rest of the servants did not abscond with the silverware.
Looking at Google Earth Everingham is rural. Perhaps the Lord and Master of Hagley Hall was invited for a bit of shooting or perhaps a bit of hunting and fishing.Whatever was happening Upstairs it would appear some sparks were flashing Downstairs. Hagley Hall was a premier estate and I would think perhaps a larger retinue would travel with the owner.Status and Position was everything to those sort of people.
 
Arkrite,

Thanks for the imput. Unfortunately, I can find very little information about Hagley Hall, Rugeley. I was hoping to make some link between Hagley and Everingham but without joy.
 
Hagley Hall is actually in Worcestershire and is run now by Lady Cobham, widow of Lord Cobham and has always been owned by the Lyttleton family as far as i know.. Rugeley is in Staffordshire, so unless there were boundary changes, there must have been another one at some point. Hagley Hall Worcs was built in the 1700s I think, so I would have thought it unlikely that there was also one in Rugeley, but I may be wrong (not unusual)!
 
In that case Humph. no 108 was the red building on the 1903 map. the 1890 map is almost identical at that point, and i think that would also apply to 1872
Mike

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On my map of Staffordshire ( about 1900 ) theres a Hagley Park on the Lichfield side of Rugeley but it does not show a hall there
 
Charlie said:
Hagley Hall is actually in Worcestershire and is run now by Lady Cobham, widow of Lord Cobham and has always been owned by the Lyttleton family as far as i know.. Rugeley is in Staffordshire, so unless there were boundary changes, there must have been another one at some point. Hagley Hall Worcs was built in the 1700s I think, so I would have thought it unlikely that there was also one in Rugeley, but I may be wrong (not unusual)!
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Hi Charlie,

That is what I thought when I first found my grandmother as a servant at Hagley Hall in a census. I went to Hagley Hall in Worcestershire on a school trip back in the early fifty's so I thought it was there, however it turned out there was a Hagley Hall in Rugeley. It was pulled down and no photographs exist of the place, but there was a drawing of it that I found.
You live and learn,

Humph
 
mikejee said:
In that case Humph. no 108 was the red building on the 1903 map. the 1890 map is almost identical at that point, and i think that would also apply to 1972
Mike
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Thanks Mike,
I will now try to find a photo of the area.
Humph
 
mike-g said:
On my map of Staffordshire ( about 1900 ) theres a Hagley Park on the Lichfield side of Rugeley but it does not show a hall there
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Thanks for looking it up Mike. I think the place was pulled down partly by that time to make way for a waterworks???. My grandmother was a servant there in 1872.

I found this map which shows the location of the hall at No 5

Humph
 
REf. Post*7 drove past yesterday the buildings have disappeared and we now have an open patch. Dek
 
I remember these shop's so well from my growing up day's, living at the back of these, I could name every one and the item's purchased from them.
 
That's that then. What a good job we have some photos (and you have your memories Maggs)! Thanks for letting us know Dek.
 
Yes indeed Charlie I have some very good memories of playing, shopping and going to school around there. Looking at the state they were in over the last few year's, they must have known that no one was going to buy or rent them. They slowly deteriorated until it would have been impossible to restore them. Strangely enough though, the flat still stand's and is used, albeit a grotty place.
 
Here are a few photos to brighten up the thread









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Icknield St 1964


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Great Western Terrace on Icknield St in the early 1970s


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enjoy Stars
 
Absolutely love these pics, they are of the area I grew up in, and have not seen them before on the BHF. Thank you Journeyman for putting them on here.
 
Glad you are enjoying them Maggs, here are a couple more.





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The Bulls Head Corner of Icknield St and Key Hill 1920

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Regards Stars
 
Thank you again Stars, my brother went to Icknield St School, and I wondered if it was still there, but used as a place for foreign worshippers ??? Does anyone know. Also, as a child, I remember going to a place called 'Horsefair', does anyone know where that was or is?
 
Hi Maggs
Yes the school is still there, it is a listed building, i am sure someone will check what it is used for now when they visit key hill or Warstone lane Cemetry's. As for Horsefair that is in Birmingham city centre

Regards Stars
 
Thank you again Stars. Strange that I couldn't remember Horsefair being in the city centre, is it still called Horsefair then? I went to Camden St School which I am sure should also have been a building worth keeping. Have seen some nice pics of it on the BHF. Still, there have been a lot of buildings in Brum destroyed when they should have been kept. I remember the lovely black and white houses in George St West, and they were being torn down before someone in their wisdom said stop, so fortunately there are a few of those still standing. I was told recently that a 24 hour Tesco has been attached to the old Icknield St Library, which is also a listed building...disgusting. Maggs.
 
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