Hare and Hounds, Kingstanding

[Peter William Middleton]

Trying to work out from the 1881 census where my 2xgt grand aunt Ellen Foden and her husband John were located. They are running the Hare and Hounds. Neighbouring Properties are Pool Farm and Holly Lane. Is it the pub pictured by Vivien in early 1900's? Is Holly lane what I know as Hawthorn Road?
Incidently 10 years later the Fodens were running the Bush Inn at Boldmere which I assume was later renamed Beggars Bush.
Thanks

 

[Vivienne14]

Peter. You may also be interested in this thread where we explored the age of the Pool(e) Farm cottages and there’s more about the area’s history. https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/for...tages-rodwell-grove-kingstanding.35541/page-5

Holly Lane is the former name of Kingstanding Road.

Not sure if the date of the photo, but could be, as you say, early 1900s.

Viv.

 

[Astoness]

Trying to work out from the 1881 census where my 2xgt grand aunt Ellen Foden and her husband John were located. They are running the Hare and Hounds. Neighbouring Properties are Pool Farm and Holly Lane. Is it the pub pictured by Vivien in early 1900's? Is Holly lane what I know as Hawthorn Road?
Incidently 10 years later the Fodens were running the Bush Inn at Boldmere which I assume was later renamed Beggars Bush.
Thanks

as viv has said holly lane became kingstanding road and i am happy to say that as i look out of my bedroom window i can still see pool farm cottages in rodwell grove..lovely to see that they are still standing

lyn

 

[Vivienne14]

Should you be interested Peter, there’s also a Beggars Bush thread here.

Beggars Bush

I don't think this will fool anybody for long, but it's only a bit of fun to get the old grey matter active. Phil

birminghamhistory.co.uk

Viv.

 

[Vivienne14]

If you haven’t already done so Peter, you may be interested in many of the references on the Forum to the Foden family around the area, For example this is an interesting extract from the Children of William Foden thread here https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/index.php?threads/children-of-william-foden.39368/

Just use the search function for other references. Viv.

 

[Vivienne14]

Here are a few snippets from the press (Source: All from the British Newspaper Archives) which might be of interest on this thread.

Much earlier than John and Ellen Foden, there was another Foden who had the Hare and Hounds Inn in 1863. This was Caleb Foden - any relation ?


By the early 1900s the Inn was gaining a reputation



In early 1930 a provisional grant was made removing the old licence and for the building of a new inn and house adjoining the old Hare and Hounds site. This must have been in keeping with the massive 1930s building programme of new homes in Kingstanding.


By April 1930 there was a replacement for the old H&H with a new, open and well-conducted public house on the adjoining site.

 

[Bobx]

My friend used to live by the bus stop (number 357 I think) just up the road and we often had a couple op pints in the Hare & Hounds in the 70s. He used to call it the spew and bucket, but then it seemed a decent pub.

Hi Malc, I spoke to my brother Mick about giving you his phone number and he said ''Absolutelty'' so here you are:

edit phone number has been removed for security reasons

 

[Astoness]

hi bobx malcog is no longer a member of this forum so will not be able to reply to you..i have also deleted the phone number you posted because it is not a good idea to post personal contact details on open forum...

 

[Vivienne14]

According to this February 1989 snippet of memories from a Sunday Mercury reader, before the H&H, the Greyhound pub stood on the same site as the later H&H. Don't know if that's true.


Source: British Newspaper Archive

 

[mikejee]

There certainly is the greyhound marked on the 1882 map at the same site



The old Hare& Hounds, demolished 1929 , is shown below, and looks older that 1882, so I assume the name was changed from the Greyhound. and it was not rebuilt, just renamed

 

[mikejee]

This seems complicated. I thought from directories, that the Greyhound name went very late, but then realised that the Greyhound I was looking at was in Court Lane New Oscott, not the Greyhound in Holly Lane. The one on the map is the same position as the HYare & hounds though, which can be seen on the NLS website

 

[Eric Gibson]

The other buildings on the map alongside the H&H would include Ryan's newsagents I think, it was a very old building with an archway at the side where old Ryan used to hang his pigs over buckets to bleed out after slaughter.