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yes moss i agree with that...here is a pic to go with mikes map of colmore terrace on post 102..looks like snow on the ground and i noticed an unusually larger building on the left..wonder what that was...must go and study the map..sorry for the quality not being that good but it came from a 16 year old paper...looks like the way in was down the entry showing on gt hampton row on mikes map
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Lyn. If you look at the map of colmore place , the building does not seem to fit in well with the square. It also seems like an older style. the Pigot Smith map of c 1814 shows a building around there that was set alone on the edge of what is now Birmingham . At first it seems a different shape, but if you include the building (not in red) attached to it, and the one (not in red) attached to that, then it is about the right shape. I have superimposed the pigot smith map and the 1913 map on google earth and the building appears to be close to where the pigot smith building is. The road on th earlier map diverges to the west slightly, so although it is next to the road in 1824, it is off the road in 1913 . If this building was something to do with the Colmores, then this would explain the name of the terrace. On the second map below I have circled the house in blue. It would appear to be about where Geach tower is shown on google
wow mike this is great info and maps as well....i did wonder if colmore terrace was named after the colmore family who i believe were a big noise round there back in the day...totally agree that colmore lodge and indeed colmore terrace was near to where geach tower now sits. and having a pic of it makes the photo i posted even more important....i lived in geach tower for 6 years..i am only guessing but given the date of pigots map showing the lodge and the style of it i would say it was geogian
brilliant mike thank you.
lyn
brilliant mike thank you.
lyn
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Great info, maps and photos Lyn and Mike. Colmore Lodge must have originally been the lodge of a large house. Any ideas which large house? Viv.
morning viv...cant see anything on the pigot map that looks like there may have been a larger colmore house near to the lodge..seem to remember that before all the streets were cut the area was known as st georges in the fields because thats what the church was surrounded by..the fields were rented out much on the lines i guess as the allotments we have today...
lyn
lyn
hi there ;
if my memory serves me correctly i can recall the stories of what our dear old mom used to tell us about her growing up
and they had a coffee shop where tey lived ;it was grt hampton row ; or grt hampton street around the hockley area
and it was during the war years when she was growing up and she said that not far from her shop there was a big bomb that went off and shook
there shop and it made a big crater in the rd it shook every think and done alot of damage to the rd
can anybody enlighen me on this it must have been during 1945 years ;
best wishes astonian;
if my memory serves me correctly i can recall the stories of what our dear old mom used to tell us about her growing up
and they had a coffee shop where tey lived ;it was grt hampton row ; or grt hampton street around the hockley area
and it was during the war years when she was growing up and she said that not far from her shop there was a big bomb that went off and shook
there shop and it made a big crater in the rd it shook every think and done alot of damage to the rd
can anybody enlighen me on this it must have been during 1945 years ;
best wishes astonian;
Hi Lyn I can only think then that it must have been a lodge for New Hall. Viv.
Lyn
West’s 1830 directory lists Henry Woodfield as at Colmore Lodge
In the 1855 Whites directory the occupants of Colmore lodge are listed as :
Bentley William, currier, Colmore lodge, St. George's terrace
Partridge William, carpenter and builder, Colmore Lodge, Gt. Hampton row
So either the terrace changed its name or possibly St Georges terrace is the two houses (probably the lodge split) at right angle to Colmore terrace on the 1889 map
In Dix’s 1858 directory Partridge still seems to be there, though the lodge is not named
In 1862, Partridge is not listed, but a William Bentley is listed as brassfounder (bit different from currier) at 94 Gt Hampton row, which is two doors down from the entrance to the terrace
West’s 1830 directory lists Henry Woodfield as at Colmore Lodge
In the 1855 Whites directory the occupants of Colmore lodge are listed as :
Bentley William, currier, Colmore lodge, St. George's terrace
Partridge William, carpenter and builder, Colmore Lodge, Gt. Hampton row
So either the terrace changed its name or possibly St Georges terrace is the two houses (probably the lodge split) at right angle to Colmore terrace on the 1889 map
In Dix’s 1858 directory Partridge still seems to be there, though the lodge is not named
In 1862, Partridge is not listed, but a William Bentley is listed as brassfounder (bit different from currier) at 94 Gt Hampton row, which is two doors down from the entrance to the terrace
Pete Ex Pat
master brummie
Thanks Mikejee for all the & maps & photo's could i imposse on you and ask if you could show where #13 greathampton row as my grt grandfather thomas mayo lived there
Regards Pete ex pat
Regards Pete ex pat
This extract from an Evening Mail article about the origins of Summer Lane mentions Colmore Terrace and Lodge. Only 5 dwellings in the terrace in 1813 according to this. Viv.
well how interesting moss..fancy that...
thanks viv for that snippet..again interesting stuff...
lyn
Interestingly, according to the St. George's baptism records, in 1825 the Minister of St. George's Church lived in Colmore Terrace - John Garbett. During the 1830s the terrace was occupied by some quite 'well-to-do' people. These included (as already mentioned by Mikejee) Henry Woolfield who was a Factor - i.e. Broker - living at the Lodge in 1835. George Gibbons, a Merchant, was living in Colmore Terrace in 1835 and Richard Wathew, an Architect and Builder, was in Colmore Terrace in 1836. Seems to me that the terrace was a very respectable place to live in the 1820s - 1840s. Also metioned in the St. George's baptism records of 1830 is a 'Colmore House' home of a Merchant called Mr Shaw. The house was in the name of the Shaw family from at least 1823 (if not earlier). It was in the St. George's parish, so where was this? Never heard of it before. Viv.
Pete Ex Pat
master brummie
Many Thanks Mikejee your a star now I can show the rest of family where Grt Granfather Thomas Mayo 1857-?& his wife Esther Mayo nee Ingram 1857-1941 Lived Many Regards MikejeeThe position of no 13 Gt Hampton row is in red below
A.Willoughby
master brummie
My aunt and uncle - Florence and Ernest Turner had two shops close, as I now recall, to your gt.grandrents home in the 30's to the 50's. The shops were next door to each other and Florence sold wool for knitting and Ernest had a sweet shop. Who knows if Esther knitted then she could have got her skeins from Flo. Will
Pete Ex Pat
master brummie
They may well have done just that according to the 1911 census both my grt grandparents traded in Hardware and china goods both on their own account so perhaps the also had !!!!
Regards Pete ex pat
timhubbuck
New Member
Hi I was wondering if anybody might have any information in relation to the pub at 76 Great Hampton Row. It was owned by George & John Kendrick brewers (my Great Grandfather and his brother).
It was called the Prince of Wales on the 1901 census and John Kendrick is listed as living there at the time.
Thanks
Tim
It was called the Prince of Wales on the 1901 census and John Kendrick is listed as living there at the time.
Thanks
Tim
JaneFulford
proper brummie kid
Hi Lyn
I've just joined the forum and finding it really fascinating.
My GGGgrandfather Joseph owned the brewery on Great Hampton Row called the Minerva. He was born @ 1813 and is one of several family brewers in the area.
Did you say you might have a picture....... Of the pub....... No doubt linked I hope
Would love to see it
Many thanks
Jane Fulford
I've just joined the forum and finding it really fascinating.
My GGGgrandfather Joseph owned the brewery on Great Hampton Row called the Minerva. He was born @ 1813 and is one of several family brewers in the area.
Did you say you might have a picture....... Of the pub....... No doubt linked I hope
Would love to see it
Many thanks
Jane Fulford
hi jane and welcome to the forum..ive not heard of the minerva brewery but maybe someone on the forum can help you with that one..mike is very good at pinpointing buildings on his maps but here is a pic of the minerva vaults pub gt hampton row..the building is still there but as far as i know no longer a pub for a few years now...
lyn
lyn
Hi Jane
The Minerva pub is shown on the c 1889 map below. In the middle of the 19[SUP]th[/SUP] century many of the larger pubs brewed their own beer on the premises, often in an outhouse, and were known as retail brewers. I think this is what has probably occurred with the Minerva. I can find no mention of a minerva brewery in the Great Hampton Row area, but it is likely that the Minerva brewed its own beer, and had a small brewing facility on the premises., probably in the small bit sticking out at the back.
Having said that, there is mention (see cutting below ) of a Minerva Brewery in Beak St. I can find no mention of it in directories of about that time, but The Lamp pub is at no 20, and might well have had a small brewery attached. I don’t know if this had any connection to the Minerva pub.
Mike
The Minerva pub is shown on the c 1889 map below. In the middle of the 19[SUP]th[/SUP] century many of the larger pubs brewed their own beer on the premises, often in an outhouse, and were known as retail brewers. I think this is what has probably occurred with the Minerva. I can find no mention of a minerva brewery in the Great Hampton Row area, but it is likely that the Minerva brewed its own beer, and had a small brewing facility on the premises., probably in the small bit sticking out at the back.
Having said that, there is mention (see cutting below ) of a Minerva Brewery in Beak St. I can find no mention of it in directories of about that time, but The Lamp pub is at no 20, and might well have had a small brewery attached. I don’t know if this had any connection to the Minerva pub.
Mike