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Gosta Green Through Duddeston

Two photo's here that must be among the most published photo's anywhere. You can bet anytime I pick a book or magazine up about times past on the Eastside one of these two pictures will be in it.

The first one is Ashted Place, I am sure I have seen it on this site before, and I am also sure that at some time in my murky past I have seen it in reality. but the mists of time have dulled my memory and I no longer am able to locate exactly where it was. Would some kind soul remind me?

The second photo is of AB row, I remember this location well, Its the stone with AB1761 on it that has grabbed my attention. Does anybody know what this refers to. Also if it was indeed a stone, does anybody know if was saved or did it go to the crusher as hard core when the building was demolished.

Phil

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phil ive got that same pic in me 1997 old brum mag and it got the story behind the address. give us a mo and i will try and get it on for you wales.
 
hi phill. here it is. just hope you can read it ok. lyn
 

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phil if you save it to yer pics and zoom in and mess around pannin left and right etc you may be able to read it. if not i will type it all out and post. lyn
 
Nice one Wales, i remember having this dicussion the other day and something to do with where one place met another but couldn't be sure so didn't post the theory, but that article backs it up, phew lol
 
Wales

Thanks a lot, I managed to read it, in effect what they are saying is that its a boundry stone that used to be set in the ground at the same location marking the location between Aston & Birmingham, and ownership of the stone has now reverted to the City of Birmingham. Which probably means it is in Dollman Street Stores or has been sent to the crusher as hard core. Well thats one of my questions answered.

Phil
 
Lyn

I have already asked the second question, "where was Ashted Place located". I know at sometime or other I have stood beneath that sign, but for the life of me I cannot remember where it was. It was probably quite close to where I lived, but you do not notice these things when you are kids. I have seen this photo in many books, but they never say where it is located.

Phil
 
phil so we know ashted place was in nechells but we need to find out what street/road it was in. this should be a good mystery to solve. will do some digging lyn
 
phil theres loads on ashted row on this site. wonder if it ashted place was near. if you search ashtead row (thats how how it has been spelt) postie has put lots of pics on but i cant view them lyn
 
Wales

I have seen all the posts with reference to Ashted Row, and I have seen all the photo's or have copies of the same ones myself. I used to live just off Ashted Row in the 50's and early 60's.

It just that no one ever bothers to say where it was located, I don't think it is any great mystery and I'm sure some one like Ernie will be able to answer when he comes on.

It just bugs me that everytime I see the photo its sets me off thinking again trying to remember where it was.

Phil
 
hi phill why don,t you ask dollman street if they have it?
i was there on Friday on a guided tour did,nt see it but that does,nt mean it is,nt there mate. regards dereklcg.
 
Ashted Place.

Phil. I have seen the photograph of " Ashted Place " but I am sorry to say that I am also puzzled as to where it was.
 
Referring to https://www.hunimex.net/warwick/freecens/2417.html
"Folio 10 Page 14
81,"5 Ashted Place, Francis St",1,Sarah Moody,Head,W,,60,Lodging Hse Keeper,Neither,Aston Warwickshire,

Francis St ran from Windsor St, crossed Henry St and Willis St, turned nearly a right angle and crossed Henage St and another road (which is on the crease of my map and unreadable) and joined Great Lister St opposite Scholefield St.
Very little of it is left now, as you can see from https://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap....am,+B_7&searchp=newsearch.srf&mapp=newmap.srf. where it isn't even named.
References either side of Ashted Place are 1 Francis St and 12 Francis st, so I would guess it was at the Windsor St end.
 
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Ernie

Back near the start of this thread on post 18 you posted two photo's that you believed to be of locations in Heneage St. I have today taken delivery of a book containing both photo's. The book say they were both taken in Heneage street in 1961.

Phil
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Why does Heneage Street always look in such bad repair. My mum was born there in 54. Was it a particularly deprived road?

The first picture of the two Phil posted has a house on the end that seems to have all its windows smashed.
 
garethnash

It wasn't just Heneage Street that looked like this. The problem is if someone moved out of premises the same day or the day after the kids were round with stones.

You didn't think vandalism was a modern disease did you?. The other thing was property stayed empty longer in slum areas, because lets face it who wanted to move into an area like that in those days, only the desperate.

Phil
 
pmc1947 said:
garethnash

It wasn't just Heneage Street that looked like this. The problem is if someone moved out of premises the same day or the day after the kids were round with stones.

You didn't think vandalism was a modern disease did you?. The other thing was property stayed empty longer in slum areas, because lets face it who wanted to move into an area like that in those days, only the desperate.

Phil
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Thanks. Mum passed away and she didnt say much about her early years. I must spend some proper time with her older sister next time I back in Brum.

They lived at 50 Heneage Street. My mum, aunt and my nan were all born there.
 
hi gareth. phil is right. there were so many houses in bad repair and condition round about the middle 50s. then in the middle 60s thats when most of the slum clearance started. just doing a bit of family research and it seems most likely that i had ancestors living in henry st in the 50s not far from heanage st. wales.
 
I was reading today about The Gosta Green in Birmingham Breweries by Joseph McKenna. The Gosta Green in Holte Street was once part of Holt's Brewery, which in itself was one the forerunners of Ansell's Brewery. The squirrel motif was in fact adopted by Ansell's from Holt's as its trademark.

Phil

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Phil. A lovely photograph of Holts Brewery. I thought I could remember it as having a large loading bay. Please someone put me right as my memory fades at times. Am I thinking of around the corner in Holt Street ?
 
Ernie,

I would think that there were loading bays for the brewery in Holte St as thats where most of the brewery was located. Like everything else that has mostly gone now. This photo showing Holte St shows at least part of it.

Phil

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Phil. Looking at your latest photograph I now seem to think it may have been a little further up the hill on the first one. Thanks for posting them Phil, maybe someone else will give their memory of this Brewery.
 
I remember the loading bay in Holte St and by the way i wonder if the well under the brewery is still there
 
Hi.Ger22van.Regarding your post about the back-to-backs in Havelock Road from Jan.08.I spoke to one of the people who live there and he told me they are not b-bs but up and downs.The front of the house on one side is downstairs but go round the other side and the door there leads upstairs so that they are basically,flats.I used to think they were b-bs because of the layout and I was going to get in touch with Carl Chinn but I decided to find out for myself and I am glad that I did.I don't doubt that Carl all ready knew!! BobS.
 
Ernie

I'm having a little trouble interpreting a photo again. This photo was taken in Henry St in 1953. It says that the street on the left is Francis St and on the original you can just make out the street name plate confirming that fact.

Do you think I am right when I assume it was taken from the corner of Ashted Row and the part of Francis Street we can see is the section between Henry St and Windsor St.

This is the only way I can reconcile the photo with my memories.

Phil

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Phil. You are Absolutely right with everything, I think it must have been practically outside the tobacconist shop that was very close to Ashted Row
corner where the photograph would have been taken. Those two columns I believe were where the mission hall was that you mentioned on an earlier posting.
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