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Orchard Road & Orchard Terrace

Linda

Linda

master brummie
Hello , has anyone tried to find Orchard Road or Orchard Terrace Sparkbrook on the 1921 census.
The only one it will come up with for me (bearing in mind technology and myself do not always see eye to eye!) is Orchard Road Erdington.
 
There's an Orchard Road & Orchard Terrace in the Kings Norton district / Smethwick parish.

It seems to match Birmingham ERs.
 
Thanks for the reply but Sparkbrook, wouldn't come under this would it.?

The 1921 census does not seem to recognise Sparkbrook, although the map that comes with other places I have researched on the census is clearly marked Sparkbrook.
I don't understand !!!
 
I think the only Orchard Road comes under Erdington. There is certainly one in Erdington Division on the 1921 Eroll.
I did a 1921 search for Orchard Road Erdington and it came up with
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I did not find an Orchard Terrace but then the eroll did not list it either.
Who were you looking for? As I cannot find an Orchard Road in Sparkbrook.
 
It can be surprising what in what districts places are classed.

I don't know these road and all I can say is that some of the people that were on roads I searched matched people on the Birmingham electoral rolls.

Balsall Heath traditionally came within the Kings Norton district, though I think it may be the Smethwick parish that's new.
 
In 1914 there is a mention of Orchard Terrace, Orchard Road in connection with a theft of coal. The accused had proceeded to Esme Road, Sparkhill. It does not give a clue to the actual whereabouts.
 
Comparing the eroll
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with 1921 results it is entered under Smethwick - no idea why but seems to be another error.
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hovering over the end icon gives the names Patrick and Elizabeth
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It is close to what is now Belgrave Middleway. Orchard Road no longer exists but Sherbourne Road (visible on this c1916 map still exists).
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MWS said:
It can be surprising what in what districts places are classed.

I don't know these road and all I can say is that some of the people that were on roads I searched matched people on the Birmingham electoral rolls.

Balsall Heath traditionally came within the Kings Norton district, though I think it may be the Smethwick parish that's new.
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I suspect that "Smethwick" should be Sparkbrook but I am not sure. The eroll has it as Sparkbrrok Division and Balsall Heath Ward
 
pjmburns said:
I suspect that "Smethwick" should be Sparkbrook but I am not sure. The eroll has it as Sparkbrrok Division and Balsall Heath Ward
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Following your suggestion I looked at my 2 x great uncle again who was listed under Smethwick which I found surprising and thought he may have moved.

However, he's still at the same address in Stechford, which is even further away from Smethwick than Balsall Heath is!
 
Hello thanks everyone for your help, maps particularly useful.
It is my Great Grandfather John Richardson I am looking for , he and Great Grandmother separated.
In the 1911 census I have him boarding with a widow and her son at this address 9Stonehouse Place Ormond Street Carter (Builders) he describes himself as a widower !
1920 electoral registers at 2 back 143 Moseley Street St Martins and Deritend polling district, with same widow and a Price family of three.
Electoral registers from 1922 to 1935 he is 1 back 1 Orchard Terrace Orchard Road Sparkbrook, Balsall Heath Ward, with same widow. Sometimes it says 1 back 1 Orchard Terrace and then sometimes includes Orchard Road. I don't know why I can't find it on the census !!!!
As You cannot actually see who is at the address , before purchasing it makes it more difficult.

Thanks again for your help
Linda
 
There is a John Richardson listed on Orchard Street (Kings Norton/Smethwick) in 1921, a boarder of Richard Downes (also Harriet and Emma).

However, he is listed as single and born 1857 in London. Seems too much of a coincidence to be 2, which would mean that his details are wrong or it is not your John Richardson on the electoral rolls.
 
Linda said:
Hello thanks everyone for your help, maps particularly useful.
It is my Great Grandfather John Richardson I am looking for , he and Great Grandmother separated.
I don't know why I can't find it on the census !!!!
As You cannot actually see who is at the address , before purchasing it makes it more difficult.

Thanks again for your help
Linda
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It is on the 1921 census but listed as Smethwick.
John Thomas Richardson is on the eroll at 1 back of 1 Orchard Road - nothing to do with Orchard Terrace as far as I can see.
 
Either deliberately or by mistake I would say that the personal details listed on the 1921 census are wrong and it is the correct John Richardson with Harriett Durant listed as Harriet Downes.

The actual scan may reveal different details but as it's not my money that's easy for me to say. A few wrong purchases and it can soon mount up.
 
Once again thank you for your help, I looked back into my records .
John was born in Union Terrace Aston in 1857.
He died in 1936, his address was 1/1 Orchard Road Balsall Heath , it was registered by his son.
Bearing in mind that you' can be certain about the truth but you cannot be sure the truth is certain' I was trying to find an electoral register for 1936, so that I could check his sons address.........does anyone know if there is one online ?
 
Not all years for all places are on Ancestry. I can have a look but 1936 doesn't ring a bell.
You could check 1939 reg and see if it matches.
 
1930, 1935, and 1939 on Ancestry. If they were at the same address 1935 and 1939 I think you can be reasonably confident that they were there in 1936.
 
John thomas Richardson is at 1 back 1 Orchard Road in 1935, but does not seem to appear in the 1939 rolls.There is an Ewart John Richardson in both years. William Edward Walterson was at 1, back 1 in 1939
 
Linda said:
Once again thank you for your help, I looked back into my records .
John was born in Union Terrace Aston in 1857.
He died in 1936, his address was 1/1 Orchard Road Balsall Heath , it was registered by his son.
Bearing in mind that you' can be certain about the truth but you cannot be sure the truth is certain' I was trying to find an electoral register for 1936, so that I could check his sons address.........does anyone know if there is one online ?
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Made a few assumptions. Three (surviving) sons - William John, Walter Thomas & Harry?

Walter and Harry appear to be at the same addresses in both 1935 & 1939 but William doesn't.
 
Apologies for my late reply , thanks for your suggestions. I have him as many electoral registers that i can find .
I do know where all his sons were, however I still cannot find John . He died in 1936
I believe he was at 2 back 143 Moseley Street St Martins and Deritend in 1920 and 1 back 1 Orchard Street in 1922.
Oh well I'm going to give up for a while otherwise it is going to drive me dotty!!!
 
I am not sure what you mean by cannot find John - Mike, in post # 24 has him on the 1935 eroll which would have been compiled in June. Then he died in 1936 so when do you not have him?
 
I think Linda is still unsure where he is on the 1921 census.

Despite the discrepancies I think it is likely that he is the Kings Norton/Smethwick John Richardson listed as being born 1857 Bloomsbury, London but as I said it's not my money.

On a related note would Union Terrace be classed as Bloomsbury, which would possibly explain 1 error.
 
Yes it is on 1921 census I cannot find him.
Why would Union Terrace Aston be classified as Bloomsbury?
 
Bloomsbury St and Bloomsbury Library are in Nechells, which is itself within the Aston district and I've heard the area around them called Bloomsbury, so I was just speculating to see if it would lead anywhere.

I wasn't sure where Union Terrace was.
 
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