john knight
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Here's a photo I took about 10 years ago.
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john knight
signman
Mike is right, the photographer would have been standing outside the cafe which was on the corner of Cromwell St. and Oliver St., looking towards Avenue Rd.
john knight
signman
This photo is of the opposite corner showing the Oliver Cromwell pub.
Taken on coronation day 1953, courtesy Carl Chinn.
Taken on coronation day 1953, courtesy Carl Chinn.
Shortie
master brummie
Re: Saltley Dock c1890s.
What an amazing picture of Saltley Dock. Can anyone tell me where it was exactly? My 4 x gt grandfather was still building boats when he died at the age of 82, in 1873, and he lived not too far from Saltley. I am thinming he may have worked there - he lived alongside the wharf in the centre of Birmingham until the late 1860's when I believe his house was demolished. Shortie
What an amazing picture of Saltley Dock. Can anyone tell me where it was exactly? My 4 x gt grandfather was still building boats when he died at the age of 82, in 1873, and he lived not too far from Saltley. I am thinming he may have worked there - he lived alongside the wharf in the centre of Birmingham until the late 1860's when I believe his house was demolished. Shortie
Phil
Gone, but not forgotten.
Hi Shortie
I have very little knowledge of our canal system, but i managed to find this on the web.
"Then there was the famed Saltley Dock of the canal carriers Fellows, Morton and Clayton.
The company had come into being in 1889, and took over William Clayton's dock down the Garrison Locks at Saltley. He is remembered in Clayton Street.
Saltley Docks became the principal boatbuilding dock for the company. Before 1896, all the boats were wooden, but production then switched to steamers made of a composite of iron sides and elm bottoms"
Now I do not know where Garrison Locks are but I'm sure some one will be able to tell you, but Fellows, Morton & Claytons premises were on Fazeley St. Bordesley, and still are as far as I am aware.
Phil
I have very little knowledge of our canal system, but i managed to find this on the web.
"Then there was the famed Saltley Dock of the canal carriers Fellows, Morton and Clayton.
The company had come into being in 1889, and took over William Clayton's dock down the Garrison Locks at Saltley. He is remembered in Clayton Street.
Saltley Docks became the principal boatbuilding dock for the company. Before 1896, all the boats were wooden, but production then switched to steamers made of a composite of iron sides and elm bottoms"
Now I do not know where Garrison Locks are but I'm sure some one will be able to tell you, but Fellows, Morton & Claytons premises were on Fazeley St. Bordesley, and still are as far as I am aware.
Phil
Can't find saltley dock on any map I have, but the 1896 Kellys lists Fellows Morton & clayton at Fazely St and Park wharf, while the 1880 one lists Claytons at Adderley Road,Saltley. therefore i think it reasonable to assume that Saltley dock was at Park wharf , Adderley road , as seen on 1902 map. If I am wrong then i am sure a cnal expert will soon correct me
mike
mike
Alf
Gone but not forgotten. R.I.P.
Not many other people know either
https://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GENBRIT/1999-02/0917953796
https://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GENBRIT/1999-02/0917953796
Phil
Gone, but not forgotten.
Shortie
Only glad to be of some little help, and I'm sure Mike & Alf feel the same.
Mike
Your suggestion seems pretty good to me as there are a few locks along that section of canal that head toward Garrison Lane which could be the Garrison Locks that have been mentioned.
Phil
Only glad to be of some little help, and I'm sure Mike & Alf feel the same.
Mike
Your suggestion seems pretty good to me as there are a few locks along that section of canal that head toward Garrison Lane which could be the Garrison Locks that have been mentioned.
Phil
Phil
Gone, but not forgotten.
John
You have had your sleep now,(stop tramping around them cliff tops) if you are still not convinced take a look at this. Its Nechells Parkway from the other direction. The tower block on the left is the one being built in the two previous photos. The smaller block behind is where the photo was taken from. These flats would have been built over Rupert St. Anyway if the photos had been taken from anywhere else you would see the curve in the Parkway. Have I done enough to convince you and what is your verdict now?
Phil
john knight
signman
OK Phil, I give in-I think .
pedlarman
master brummie
Hi, Mike,
Your mention of the Clayton name in the Saltley Docks thread reminds me that I could do with your assistance regarding a Messrs Clayton & Sons, who had a business in New Street, Birmingham, in 1842. I wonder if you have any record of this establishment that would tell us what the business traded in...?
I'd be glad of any info...
Cheers,
Jim
dek carr
gone but not forgotten
Phil i,ve had a few days to think and i have come up with a new idea i think the caption is correct the photo was taken in Heanage St the section between Willis St and Henry St before the parkway was built when you look at the airial phot it show a block of flat half way up parkway completed on i would say a section of Heanage St The two blocks of flats were built by Waites one after the other in those days when they had little plant the huts would have been take4n down and erected on new sites so they merely took them down the road the two photos would have been taken 12-18 months apart . what do you think. Dek
dek carr
gone but not forgotten
Sorry Phil in the photo of the parkway being constructed half way up towards Ashsted Row that i believe is the one. Also when you enlarge the original photo you can just make out a building between the shop and the flats. when you look at the airial shot there is a row of buildings directly behind the flat. hope that helps. Dek
Phil
Gone, but not forgotten.
Dek on the original photo that shows the parkway being constructed what you can see behind the partly completed block is Kellett Rd flats and the tower block this is on Heneage St was built in the very late 50's I had a mate who lived on the 7th floor. So that was built at least 15 years or more before they built The Parkway.
I took a walk round the area on Google today and it frightened me, nearly everything I saw being put up in the 50's & 60's has now been replaced. Not only do we have to get used to the fact that everything we knew has gone, but we also have to get used to the fact that everything that replaced it has now gone as well.
If someone had said to me in the late 50's this is what the area you live in will look like in 50 years time I would never have believed them.
Phil
I took a walk round the area on Google today and it frightened me, nearly everything I saw being put up in the 50's & 60's has now been replaced. Not only do we have to get used to the fact that everything we knew has gone, but we also have to get used to the fact that everything that replaced it has now gone as well.
If someone had said to me in the late 50's this is what the area you live in will look like in 50 years time I would never have believed them.
Phil
john knight
signman
You are right Phil, that's what keeps throwing me , no visual reference anymore as we knew it, wonder how long this lot will last., surely they could not have had the full life out of the last lot.
john..the same thing is happening over in newtown... they are ripping the place apart and pulling down what was built to replace the so called slums and doing another rebuild...and i dare say in about another 50 or so years they will come down...by doing this i reckon it dont give much scope for history in the future as the buildings are not staying up long enough ....
lyn
lyn
Phil
Gone, but not forgotten.
John & Lyn
It just amazes me the buildings that were there in the first place had been there in excess of a 100 years some of them a while longer. I have no argument that most of those in Nechells needed clearing. Lyn I can't speak for Newtown as I never lived there.
But some of the old Georgian houses on Ashted Row and Great Brook St could have been saved. I worked on the flats that replaced Ashted Row when I was 18 and they are gone now.
I don't think anything they constructed in Nechells in the 60's is still standing only the 4 original tower blocks which I think are now listed. They certainly messed up big time with the Planning in the 60's.
Phil
It just amazes me the buildings that were there in the first place had been there in excess of a 100 years some of them a while longer. I have no argument that most of those in Nechells needed clearing. Lyn I can't speak for Newtown as I never lived there.
But some of the old Georgian houses on Ashted Row and Great Brook St could have been saved. I worked on the flats that replaced Ashted Row when I was 18 and they are gone now.
I don't think anything they constructed in Nechells in the 60's is still standing only the 4 original tower blocks which I think are now listed. They certainly messed up big time with the Planning in the 60's.
Phil
totally agree with all you say phil... its a crying shame..now take for instance where i lived in villa st(demolished) just off nursery road..the houses that were on the one side of nursery road were wiped out and they were by no means slums....they rebuilt and now those are coming down....the roads that lead off nursery road on the other side ie..church st..angelsey..burbury..carpenters road were spared and the houses there are about 150 years old i would say...also the sally army building is still there and the union and gunmakers pubs and also a line of about 6 shops in nursery road are still there.. so i count myself very lucky that really there is still a lot left of my childhood down the old end and i go down quite often to have a look around and just walk the streets i used to play in...
ps i cant get over 4 tower blocks being listed...whatever next....and i am stearing away from the area now so i shall shut up..lol
lyn
ps i cant get over 4 tower blocks being listed...whatever next....and i am stearing away from the area now so i shall shut up..lol
lyn
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Elizabeth Redmond
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Hi i am looking for a photo of Ashed Row, near a sauce factory, also a picture of New John Street, Aston, please, my friends family
had a factory there Sterenbergs Glass Factory,i wonder if anybody has any idea where i might find one
had a factory there Sterenbergs Glass Factory,i wonder if anybody has any idea where i might find one
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Elizabeth Redmond
Guest
Thank you i will check with her,how do i find the list thank you
Phil
Gone, but not forgotten.
Hi Elizabeth
If you type Holbrook's into the search box I'm sure it will return lots of information on the sauce and vinegar factory at the junction of Dartmouth St & Lawley St on Ashted Row as that was it's name. In fact there is a wealth of information n this thread if you look back a bit.
In the meantime here are a couple of photos.
Phil
If you type Holbrook's into the search box I'm sure it will return lots of information on the sauce and vinegar factory at the junction of Dartmouth St & Lawley St on Ashted Row as that was it's name. In fact there is a wealth of information n this thread if you look back a bit.
In the meantime here are a couple of photos.
Phil
Kellys isn't on the web . The relevent area between elkington st and aston rd is below:
here isElkington st
49 King Frederick, shopkpr
52 Hands Mrs. Fanny,shpkpr
57 Southern Mrs. Charlotte,
shopkeeper
62 & 63 Stevenberg Henry,
glass manufacturer
52 Hands Mrs. Fanny,shpkpr
57 Southern Mrs. Charlotte,
shopkeeper
62 & 63 Stevenberg Henry,
glass manufacturer
ST. ANDREW'S MISSION
ROOM
ROOM
67 Day Brothers, hauliers
78 Rowlands Philip, baker
88 New inn, Mrs.EmmaDrake78 Rowlands Philip, baker
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Elizabeth Redmond
Guest
Thank you guys that's great
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Elizabeth Redmond
Guest
definitely Sterenberg, they were glass blowers,62, New John Street,Aston. what you think mike
It definitely says Stevenberg in the directory, both the street and name section, but it wouldn't surprise me that they put it in wrong. Sometimes I've seen a different spelling in the street and th ename section, and in this case an r written quickly could very easily look like a v. It is only mentioned in 0ne directory I have, in 1921. In 1915 it was Parsons 7 wood, glassmakers, and in 1932 it was something completely different.
Mike
Mike
