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Gladys Maud Downing

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nimrod1947

master brummie
Hi,
Found the name of this person on a census form with James Downing head of the family and Gladys labelled grand daughter. She is obviously grand daughter of James but cannot find out who she is the daughter of. No trace in other census forms or electoral registers, almost like she disappeared. Would be eternally grateful if anyone has any ideas.
 
Have you tried birth or baptisms records? Assume James had sons - hence why she is downing or is she illegitimate daughter of daughter? Hope that makes sense.
 
pjmburns said:
Have you tried birth or baptisms records? Assume James had sons - hence why she is downing or is she illegitimate daughter of daughter? Hope that makes sense.
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Tried all those because of the date of birth around 1908 no mothers maiden name on births that are close and no baptism records coming up that are near
 
i cant find her on the 1911...what is james wife name and what address do you have please..i take it she is in birmingham

lyn
 
Astoness said:
i cant find her on the 1911...what is james wife name and what address do you have please..i take it she is in birmingham

lyn
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James Downings wife is Phoebe Hannah Downing nee Bellingham and no address on census form but James is a Boatman, Gladys Maud Hilda Downing to give her a full name is aged 3 years.
 
thanks jan no wonder i could not find them in birmingham :D

hi nimrod just picking up on what you said about not finding a close match for mothers maiden name on the birth records...you wont find one as the mothers maiden names for the online birth records started in 1911 so 3 years after gladys was born...

lyn
 
I think she is Gladys Maud Hilda Smith the daughter of Sydney Smith and Ellen Downing (James' eldest daughter).

Laziness or confusion when filling in the census.
 
nimrod1947 said:
James Downings wife is Phoebe Hannah Downing nee Bellingham and no address on census form but James is a Boatman, Gladys Maud Hilda Downing to give her a full name is aged 3 years.
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hi nimrod there is an address on the census of 74 furnace parade..tipton
 
Astoness said:
thanks jan no wonder i could not find them in birmingham :D

hi nimrod just picking up on what you said about not finding a close match for mothers maiden name on the birth records...you wont find one as the mothers maiden names for the online birth records started in 1911 so 3 years after gladys was born...

lyn
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Lyn - they do show up on GRO well before 1911 - not sure why.
 
MWS said:
I think she is Gladys Maud Hilda Smith the daughter of Sydney Smith and Ellen Downing (James' eldest daughter).

Laziness or confusion when filling in the census.
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thats strange as on the 1911 it says 14 children born only 7 living there are 7 children listed for james on the census but none of them are named ellen...unless i have missed something
 
Born 12 Nov 1885, baptised Tipton 6 Dec 1885 daughter of James and Phoebe.

She might have died between marrying and 1911.
 
So did I and also Sydney Smith to a Downing. Drew a blank. Perhaps they did not actually marry?
 
yes it does seem likely then that ellen died before the 1911...i will also see if i can find a death and marriage for her

lyn
 
just side tracking a bit i think i have found ellen on the 1901 census aged 15 born tipton living as a servant..address is no 10 plough and harrow road birmingham which i think is close to where the oratory is

lyn
 
Astoness said:
just side tracking a bit i think i have found ellen on the 1901 census aged 15 born tipton living as a servant..address is no 10 plough and harrow road birmingham which i think is close to where the oratory is

lyn
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I wonder, strange affair. That could mean she never married so the childs surname would be Downing.
 
..just checked and ellen is not with her parents on the 1901 so i think its safe to assume that is her living at no 10 plough and harrow road birmingham on the 1901...
 
I thought that Lyn. Wondered if the "Sydney Smith" was just a name. Would be interesting to see the address on the birth certificate.
 
Sydney William Smith appears to be real born Tipton 1886, there is a baptism for another daughter Florence Gertrude.

Incidently Sydney's mother appears to be a Downing as well.
 
MWS said:
Sydney William Smith appears to be real born Tipton 1886, there is a baptism for another daughter Florence Gertrude.

Incidently Sydney's mother appears to be a Downing as well.
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My God the plot thickens, wonder if he lodged at 10 Harrow road, just joking never know what was happening
 
dont forget ellen was only 15 when she was at plough and harrow road..it would be another 6 years before gladys was born so i would say doubtful that she would have known sydney smith then but who knows...

MWS...post 28 are you saying that you have found another daughter florence gerdrude of ellen and sydney...bit confused...

lyn
 
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