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Ghost signs of Birmingham
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brummy-lad
master brummie
Importer and Bond of Wines and Spirits, second letter looks like M and last letter R (in the first word)
That's great Brummy Lad - hadn't thought of 'Importer'
Think Lyn's suggestion of 'Bonder' makes sense too. A bonder being a person who deposits goods in a bonded warehouse.
Viv.
Think Lyn's suggestion of 'Bonder' makes sense too. A bonder being a person who deposits goods in a bonded warehouse.
Viv.
Therefore the name White Horse 'Cellars' fits with this history.
Viv.
Viv.
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This is from Kieran's Midlands Pub's site link (here https://www.midlandspubs.co.uk/birmingham/constitution-hill/white-horse-cellars.htm)
"The White Horse Cellars was located on the corner of Constitution Hill and Northwood Street. Replacing an earlier White Horse, this building, dating from around 1890, is thought to be the only known public-house that was designed by the eminent architect Julius Alfred Chatwin"
"The White Horse Cellars was located on the corner of Constitution Hill and Northwood Street. Replacing an earlier White Horse, this building, dating from around 1890, is thought to be the only known public-house that was designed by the eminent architect Julius Alfred Chatwin"
Do we know when the earlier White Horse was built on the site (ie the one before the photo in post #1596)? It was there in 1878 according to the Midland Pubs newspaper extract in post #1595. That extract says it had been there for many years before. Viv.
viv according to west midland pubs the first recorded landlord was in 1839
History of the White Horse Cellars on Constitution Hill in Hockley
History and Information on the White Horse Cellars on Constitution Hill at Hockley in Birmingham in Warwickshire
www.midlandspubs.co.uk
Oh yes I see Lyn, my screen only opened up on the first two columns of Kieran's site ! Thanks.
So we're getting quite a way back now. Viv.
So we're getting quite a way back now. Viv.
Mike(jee) did some research on the White Horse Cellars some years back. He posted this on the Oldest Public House in Hockley thread.Looks like there was a pub there even further back in 1825. Viv
Source: post #14 https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/index.php?threads/oldest-public-house-in-hockley.40460/
Source: post #14 https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/forum/index.php?threads/oldest-public-house-in-hockley.40460/
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I'd say J Houghton left this building a long time ago. Not only has the name been revealed above the shop window on the Ninevah Road side, but there was once advertising above the windows on the Grasmere Road side too. Looks in a very sad state today. Viv.
brummy-lad
master brummie
Great ghost image. 89 Nineveh Road listed in Kelly's 1955 as J. Houghton Ltd. (radio dealers)
This is at 67-69 Lozells Road, corner of Wilton Street. A former pub - I'm sure someone can name it - with the orange Ansells logo on the side of the building and some tell-tale pub etching on the upper windows. Viv.
Stokkie
master brummie
Invitation from Historic England to post pictures of Ghost Signs on an online map, but only until the end of Halloween. https://www.theguardian.com/culture...ngland-ghost-sign-photos-halloween-online-map
Strawberry Hunter
master brummie
I'd love to do it, but it's a time thing atm. Would be really interesting though. Thanks for mentioning it Stokkie.
Plenty of scope on this thread ! Viv
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Janet Hunt
master brummie
Here is a "future" Ghost sign on Wellington road Handsworth, the old "Hirons nursery" land has been sold and new housing is being built. Hirons were trading for 70 years and closed in 2022 after the two brothers retired.
pjmburns
master brummie
yes the football ground was more or less near to hirons moss...but also on hiron land at the back was a roman kiln which i believe is no longer there...well i could not find it a few years back..however there was a archaeological dig some time ago reporting the findings...i have that report somewhere must find it and take another look at it...i very much doubt it but maybe before they build on the land another dig may happen..
lyn
DavidGrain
master brummie
Lyn,
If you find the report, perhaps you should send a copy to the city planning office. I don't know if they still have an archaeologist in the planning department checking these things or perhaps that is a job that has gone.
If you find the report, perhaps you should send a copy to the city planning office. I don't know if they still have an archaeologist in the planning department checking these things or perhaps that is a job that has gone.
pjmburns
master brummie
The reports on the planning site seem more comcerned with any unexploded bombs they might find and other contamination than any historcal significance. That said there are 3 long reports to wade through and I might have missed something.
reports are here
ref number 2023/00594/PA
reports are here
ref number 2023/00594/PA
mike i dont think it would be any good passing it onto the planning dept as a they have already gone over the roman kiln ground..having said that who knows what may turn up when building starts..
thanks for the thought mike pretty sure i have got it somewhere..will let you know
lyn
Janet Hunt
master brummie
Too late for excavations building work was well underway in June of this year