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Ford Family Garrison Lane.
- Thread starter Tinpot
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Looking on Streetview at the corner pub's location which I think is The Ship, it still stands but the name had been changed at some point and it is now no longer a pub but is described as an hotel. Its exterior has been radically altered to eradicate the Victorian original features.
Here it is in 2020 - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.4...wXS_QRuQ!2e0!5s20200801T000000!7i16384!8i8192
Here is as it was in 2008 when it was then called The Shakespeare. It is to give an idea of how the family may have remembered it-
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.4...fmUxDtCw!2e0!5s20080601T000000!7i13312!8i6656
Do you think that this was The Ship?
Here it is in 2020 - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.4...wXS_QRuQ!2e0!5s20200801T000000!7i16384!8i8192
Here is as it was in 2008 when it was then called The Shakespeare. It is to give an idea of how the family may have remembered it-
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.4...fmUxDtCw!2e0!5s20080601T000000!7i13312!8i6656
Do you think that this was The Ship?
Here is another Streetview taken from the side road showing what the view of the railway embankment might have looked like from the back of the house. Pleasingly rural I think.
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pjmburns
master brummie
I meant to point out that Henley Street is not next to the Ship. The yard I marked is next to the pub in Henley Street but that pub was the Shakespeare. If my memory serves me correctly the blue circle is where the Ship was and the red cross is the yard in Henley street.
pjmburns
master brummie
Yes 1a was part of Selly Oak Hospital from about 1928 but it was also the address of what had been Kings Norton workhouse - I think.
oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
Reference the previously mentioned Shakespeare in #152 a earlier post in the Stratford Road thread
In July 1953, D.J.Norton photographed a tram on the Stratford Road passing the Shakespeare pub on the corner of Henley Street.
Recently Google photographed the place in nearly the same position.
That puts it all in perspective with the railway bridge included. I noticed on the maps that the tram shed was on the next road down. I have travelled on one of those trams going to Cannon Hill Park as I remember. Thanks oldMohawk
What a fine building it had been and the architect had given some thought to how it fitted in with its surroundings. It looked like the pub had had stained glass windows and the external ornamentation had been designed to echo the spire on the other side of the railway line. I notice that the Victorian street sign has been retained on the wall.
Spotted this on a web site dedicated to listing lost pubs. Most fascinating but sad too. Includes The Shakespeare.
The Ship, Birmingham, B11
www.closedpubs.co.uk
There is a daughter, I believe of Emma Ford and Samuel Ford but could be Emma and George , who was referred to as Emily and having died young with diphtheria. Any information would be appreciated.
Thanks Janice. These deaths with TB and diptheria are a reminder of how important vaccines have been for people's life chances. Alongside the move to better municipal housing.
Going back to the Garrison Lane connection, on the forum David Trevor Help entries #100 & #101 I have posted information about siblings of a Victorian stage celebrity called David Trevor who took turns to run The Garrison pub not long after it first opened in the 1860s. It describes what was going on there. In case it is of any interest.
Thanks Susan. I had read some of your earlier posts on David Trevor but I see you have added quite a lot of detail over the weekend that I will also read. It's a fascinating story and must have taken quite some time to research and put together. Tinpot
I have got a bit further back with the Ford family to another Samuel Ford born around 1830 in Charlton Kings, Cheltenham who at one point lived at Green Lane, Little Open Terrace, Aston and also in the 1861 census he lived at 46 Coventry Road working as a gas labourer. Is this the Green Lane in Small Heath? Also I don't know exactly wherabouts 46 Coventry Rd would be? Any help would be welcome. Tinpot
Without a suitable old map of Birmingham, this is only guesswork Tinpot but I believe that 46 Coventry road which technically runs from Birmingham to Coventry would have been in Small Heath near Digbeth near the numbering start of the road. Even as a child, the house numbers already ran into the 1000s not far beyond Yardley. Forty six might have come under the auspices of Aston as it was the registration district for births, deaths and marriages for some people living in Small Heath in at least Edwardian times even though it was not Aston per se. The road layout in that area has been changed beyond recognition I suspect. Green lane Small Heath would have been very close by. Let's hope that someone has an old OS map.
MWS
from Bham
Your Samuel Ford was discussed on page 3 of this thread.
The earliest that numbers are on maps is 1950. Here is a map from 1889, there have been some changes between the two dates but the Clement's Arms is still in the same place on the corner of Coventry Road & Lower Trinity St. In 1950 it is listed as number 30. So if it is the same number in the 1860s then 46 would have to be to the right not too far after Bowyer St.
The earliest that numbers are on maps is 1950. Here is a map from 1889, there have been some changes between the two dates but the Clement's Arms is still in the same place on the corner of Coventry Road & Lower Trinity St. In 1950 it is listed as number 30. So if it is the same number in the 1860s then 46 would have to be to the right not too far after Bowyer St.
pjmburns
master brummie
Susan. I agree with your idea of where 46 would be. However, the old OS maps have no house numbers on. I do have an 1881 (and 1991) map with that end of Coventry Road but no numbers. Some roads were also renumbered. I will try different approach in a moment.
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pjmburns
master brummie
Have narrowed it down in 1868 directory to between Sandy Lane and Park street (later Bordesley Park Road). The section on the census only includes the south side of the Coventry Road. Numbering was continuous so 46 was between 45 and 47,
On this 1889 map the green line is Coventry Road, the red is Sandy Lane and the blue is Bordesley Park Road. By 1890 the numbering had changed and odd numbers were on the south.
On this 1889 map the green line is Coventry Road, the red is Sandy Lane and the blue is Bordesley Park Road. By 1890 the numbering had changed and odd numbers were on the south.
These houses would still be there when I was younger. Just going up The Kingston Hill with a group of maisonettes on the opposite side. I didn't spot that there was a Harriet Dobbins living there the first time I looked at this census. Mary Ann's family were Dobbins.
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