Mark_Ellis
knowlegable brummie
I wonder if anyone can find his age or date of birth, please
-
Welcome to this forum . We are a worldwide group with a common interest in Birmingham and its history. While here, please follow a few simple rules. We ask that you respect other members, thank those who have helped you and please keep your contributions on-topic with the thread.
We do hope you enjoy your visit. BHF Admin Team
Turley and Williams, Ltd., locations - Originally of Reliance Works, Green Street, Deritend, Birmingham.
- Thread starter Mark_Ellis
- Start date
Pedrocut
Master Barmmie
He was 76 when he died.
“We've tried that, and it only reveals British Safety Stove Co. Ltd., but not Turley and Williams.”
I think the reason for this is that after the take over by the Fkavel Group Turley and Williams’ name may have at some time been wound up. The British Stove was kept as a shell company until 2010. Possibly to cover the patents.
“We've tried that, and it only reveals British Safety Stove Co. Ltd., but not Turley and Williams.”
I think the reason for this is that after the take over by the Fkavel Group Turley and Williams’ name may have at some time been wound up. The British Stove was kept as a shell company until 2010. Possibly to cover the patents.
here is his death info with date of birth as 18th sep 1893
lyn
and on the 1939 eve of war register which you can find on ancestry he is living at 215 beaumont road with wife marjorie occupation is metal works managing director...he is living with others
house still there..below is todays st view..its the house with the blue door
lyn
| Charles Donald Smith |
| 76 |
| 18 Sep 1893 |
| Apr 1970[May 1970][Jun 1970] |
| Apr-May-Jun |
| Birmingham |
| Warwickshire |
| 9c |
| 465 |
and on the 1939 eve of war register which you can find on ancestry he is living at 215 beaumont road with wife marjorie occupation is metal works managing director...he is living with others
house still there..below is todays st view..its the house with the blue door
Last edited:
Mark_Ellis
knowlegable brummie
and on the 1939 eve of war register which you can find on ancestry he is living at 215 beaumont road bournville occupation is metal works managing director...he is living with others
house still there..below is todays st view..its the house with the blue door
Many thanks, Lyn.
Am I right in thinking that if he lived at Bournville, then he worked at Bournville/Cadbury's as their metal works managing director?
Mark_Ellis
knowlegable brummie
Thanks.
I thought that when they developed Cadbury/Bournville, that you had to work there to live in their housing scheme?
Even chocolate factories have machines for making the chocolate, as well as the tins to put the chocolates in.
The first date for Smith at T&W on a patent is 1935.
The first date for Smith at Bristol Road on a patent is 1944.
that is true mark but not all houses in bournville were owned by cadburys...well thats as far i know anyway..maybe a bit more research is needed just as an aside in the 1940 kellys directory he is listed at 928 bristol road selly oak..also on the 39 eve of war register living with him is a edward williams occupation for him is metal press shop forman
lyn
Last edited:
Not all houses in Bournville were occupied by Cadbury workers. Up till around 1970s., the firm had considerable metal-working expertise. I was aware of a fairly senior manager having a new stainless steel exhaust made for him in the workshops (unofficially) and they did manufacture a considerable amount of metal components when needed. Indeed in WW2 the factory manufactured a number of metal items for the war effort, such as aircraft fuel tanks. However I am sure that part of the organisation did not have a person described as a managing director.
yes i see that now jan..in that case there must be 2 charles donald smiths born in 1893 unless there is an error on one of those records
lyn
Mark_Ellis
knowlegable brummie
Thanks
That came up in post No 5.
All this digging has confirmed that my interest lies in Charles Donald Smith, who (subject to responses from Companies House) owned T&W from 1935 to around 1954. The first patent with Sidney Flavel & Company of Leamington Spa combined with Smith is Oct 1954.
I'm hoping that Companies House can shed some light on Directors of British Safety Stove Co. Ltd., without costing me too much money
Mark_Ellis
knowlegable brummie
Janice, is there a confirmed date of death anywhere? With his being 76, if he died after March might shed some light.
Mark_Ellis
knowlegable brummie
So if his Birthday was March, he would have been 77 on his death, wouldn't it ?
pjmburns
master brummie
Possibly. I would expect the date and month to have been right but the year could be wrong.
The exact age of someone was less important then so ages can vary on censuses.
Richard Dye
master brummie
Those “unofficial” exhaust jobs were known as “foreigners” to those working in the shop. It was remarkable how many foreigners there were!
Pedrocut
Master Barmmie
I don’t think it would be true to say that CD Smith owned the company T&W from 1925 to around 1954. The 1939 electoral register shows him living at 215 Beaumont Road and being Managing Director of a metal works, his date of birth 93 suggest he is our man.
The 1939 patent shows his name along with T&W and would be consistent with an MD. The 1927 patent shows a William Henry Morris who could have been the MD at that time.
Managing Director in a UK limited company is the senior executive appointed by the board. They may also be a shareholder, but the title itself doesn’t indicate ownership, although he could be a sizeable shareholder.
The 1939 patent shows his name along with T&W and would be consistent with an MD. The 1927 patent shows a William Henry Morris who could have been the MD at that time.
Managing Director in a UK limited company is the senior executive appointed by the board. They may also be a shareholder, but the title itself doesn’t indicate ownership, although he could be a sizeable shareholder.
Mark_Ellis
knowlegable brummie
The patent submitted December 1934 is a Arthur Barnard Osborne, and then CD Smith on the patent submitted January 1935.
When Companies house gets back to me, I'll know more about T&W (1925), along with British Safety Stove.
pjmburns
master brummie
1927 eroll shows Charles Donald Smith at 215 Beaumont Road (same address as on 1939 reg)
I tracked the Williams family back to 1921 census
Same address
Entry reads as follows
No Charles but a daughter Marjorie J. (more of her later)
Also Edward WILLIAMS is an employer at 173 Spring Hill (it is Eyles and Williams silversmith). I wondered if this was a link to the Williams (Arthur edward) in the firm Turley and Williams?
I tracked the Williams family back to 1921 census
Same address
Entry reads as follows
No Charles but a daughter Marjorie J. (more of her later)
Also Edward WILLIAMS is an employer at 173 Spring Hill (it is Eyles and Williams silversmith). I wondered if this was a link to the Williams (Arthur edward) in the firm Turley and Williams?
Pedrocut
Master Barmmie
CD Smith appears on 57 patents along with T&W ltd and T&W (1925) Ltd., the earliest I can see is 1935.
Mark_Ellis
knowlegable brummie
He's also named on two Sidney Flaval patents, as Inventor, and on one with Henry Alfred Palmer of Leamington Spa