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TULLETT, Thomas

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My Great, Great Grandfather Henry Thomas Tullett b. 1835 abt. m. Emily Fraser (Frazer?) 1858. His father was Thomas Tullett b. 1791 abt. I can't find any details for Thomas's marriage, wifes name, date etc. or if Henry Thomas had any siblings. I would be pleased to hear from any member who may have information on Thomas or his family.

Regards

Peter
 
i wonder if this could be your thomas tullett with son henry thomas tullett entered as thomas??

1841 moor st. birmingham

thomas tullett 50 hat maker not born in county
harriett tullett 35 not b. in county
ephraim tullett 12 b. warks
joseph tullett 10 b. warks
thomas tullett 6 b. warks
albert tullett 18 mths not b. in county
 
if that is the correct family they appear in 1851 living moat lane bham

thomas tullett 62 hatter b. crawley sussex
harriett 49 b. staffs
albert 13 errand boy b. cheltenham glouc.
jane 9 b. bham
george 6 b. bham
 
I thought that Shera, i couldn't find a Henry to a Thomas in 1841 and 1851(he should have been with parents on atleast one of those), if it is them there's a tree on ancestry with that family on it.
 
The marriage is between a Thomas Tullett and Emily Frazier in 1858
it does not have the christian name Henry on record.
 
Thank you all for your replies to my posting.

Claire,
I don't know where Thomas was born but Henry Thomas was born in Birmingham. He was a hatter by trade in later life.
What are the names for the direct line from Thomas down on the Ancestry tree you refered to Claire?

Shera,
I have the details for 1841 census and thought this could be the Thomas I was looking for at Moor St. but need more proof.

Alberta,
I have 4 certificates with Fraser on all spelt differently, Frazer, Frazier etc. and their marriage certificate only had Thomas Tullett on and it was only his death certificate that had his full name down as Henry Thomas Tullett.

Regards

Peter
 
hello peter, i would think that the proof is there as thomas senior was a hat maker or hatter as stated on 1841 and 1851 censuses and this is not a particularly common occupation. i cant remember seeing another hatter at all so i would say this is the correct person.
 
1841 Newtown row.
William Tullett age 30 , Hatter
Mary age 30 wife
Charles 15
Edward 12
Thomas 4
Henry 3
Eliza 4 months
 
Peter the Tree on Ancestry doesn't have a descendant line from him, they descend down threw Albert, the info on it is as follows Thomas c1791 born Crawley Sussex Hatter married Harriett Smith 12.11.1831 in Aston Juxsta (St Peter & St Pauls) Birmingham, she was born Sedgeley Green Staffordshire, interestingly they have Ephraim and Joseph born to a different mother, her name unknown, it may be worth checking the IGI for baptism's of the children...... the only one showing for a Thomas Tullett in Crawley is for 1786, but then the 1841 census ages were rounded up or down 5 years depending on the ennumerator.
 
Thank you again Claire, Alberta & Shera.

Interesting about the different mothers which I will have to look into.

I searched for a long time for the marriage certificate for Henry Thomas and Emily and when I got a copy the names of their parents were not on it. Now I call that inconsiderate, didn't they realise that their desendants would take great pleasure in tracing their family tree. Maybe they did and thought it would be fun just to make it that little bit more interesting for us to hunt them down.

Well the hunt goes on

Thanks again

Peter
 
if my memory seves me correctly
i beleive there was a family of tulletts living in ickneild port rd ladywood
more or less oppersite summer field crescent fro the late fifty,s right through until
the 70.s at least as i think its an unsual name i dont think there would be many knocking about. but saying that there was one member of the family whom
was weird he was on the one time called L,s.d and one evening he went to
the mortuary in westeren rd hospital and removed a human head he was later
apprended and sent to gaol but the parents were oldeish cannot remember the
parents name but they was very strict with there kids ,that i do know
i thought i would drop that name into the hat in case some body wants to pickup on the name tullett. have a nice day best wishes astonian ,,
 
Interestingly there is a baptism for a Ephraim Feist Tullett 26.2.1826 in Shipley Sussex, to a Timothy and Hannah, it's an unusual name so maybe they are connected to your Thomas?
 
Hi Claire,

Yes I saw that and wondered if their was a connnection to Thomas, that is if I'm on the right track with the right Thomas. The Thomas from Crawley in Sussex was christened on 16th August 1786, his father was Charles and mothers name Rhodia. Could be the line I need, the time is about right just need more proof.

Regards

Peter
 
Claire does the Tree on Ancestry have names for the siblings of Thomas (Alberts father) and the name of Thomas's father and mother?
I have been looking at some IGI records and might have found a lead.

Regards

Peter
 
Unfortunately there is no listed siblings/parents on that tree, I did try to look for a Timothy Hannah Marriage but couldn't find one.. checking Timothy and Charles baptisms to see if you can find them with matching parents may be the way to go next, Ephraim is an unusual name so Thomas calling his son the same name, thier has to be a connection I would say.
 
Hi Claire,

Thank you for looking at the Tullett tree on Ancestry for names.

By the way who is Timothy?

Checking on IGI records I may have found Thomas's father and his siblings, just need to confirm this. There were 8 children including Thomas to Charles and Rhoda (nee Mitton)Tullett. The 1851 census (Thomas & family) lists a Jane and checking records I found Jane Rhoda born March 31st 1842 in Birmingham. A strong connection I think.

Regards

Peter
 
Timothy and Hannah were the parents of the Ephraim that was christened, they had 10 other children including a Thomas, so it looks like those names were family names.
 
Hi Claire,

Just reread all the postings and realised you had already given me the info on Timothy, with all the new names I had found lost the thread a little.

Regards

Peter
 
It is possibly mine or my sisters' trees you have been looking at on Ancestry. We are descended from Albert (b1839/40), whose brothers were George (b1845) and Thomas (b1835), plus a sister Jane (b1842). From your posts it sounds like Thomas was also called/known as Henry, but I've only found him on the 1841 census, where he's listed as Thomas.

We've assumed the two elder children of Thomas (b1789/91) listed on the 1841 census (Ephraim and Joseph) have a different mother because Thomas and Harriet got married in December 1831. Ephraim was born in 1829 and Joseph in 1831. Thomas was also a lot older than Harriet, so it's probable he had a first wife - I would guess the first marriage took place in Crawley, but I have no proof.

We have assumed a link between Thomas and Charles/Rhoda Tullett from Crawley but since the birth date of 1786 for Thomas was so different to the one suggested on the 1841/51 censuses, it was difficult to prove the link.

I have found an agreement listed in the National Archives and dated 1820 between Thomas Tullett, hatter of Birmingham, and his father Charles, gent of Crawley. The documents are held at Warwickshire County Record Office and I have yet to go there and see if there's further information - such as an address for Charles, so I can then go to the Crawley parish records to trace Charles - and possibly confirm his wife was Rhoda.

I've also found some conveyancing documents dated 1812 which mention various wills of the Mutton family. The documents mention that an Ephraim Mutton's will in 1810 directed that his property be sold and the money split six ways, the first recipient being Charles Tullett and Ruddy his wife. I think this may be Charles and Rhoda - whose maiden name was Mitton or Mutton.

If anyone finds any proof that Thomas was Charles and Rhoda's son, I'd be very grateful, as we've been a bit stuck on this for a while!
 
Hi Debbie,

I was very interested to see your posting regarding my great, great grandfather Henry Thomas Tullett the brother of your relative Albert.

The details you have given match up with the line I have been following but as with yourself looking for that little extra proof needed to confirm I am right. I have no details for 1851 census but have 1841 to 1901 census information from Henry Thomas down, although he did give me trouble on the 1861 census (the enumerater had him down as Henry Thomas).

Like yourself I assumed a link for Charles and Rhoda being the parents of Thomas Chr. 1786 Crawley. They had a further seven children to my knowledge, James, Charles, Edward, Mary, William, Sarah and Martha. Thomas married Harriett (nee Smith) 1831 and had the four children, Henry, Albert b. Cheltenham, Jane (middle name Rhoda a clue that Charles and Rhoda could be the grandparents) and George b.1844. The two elder boys Ephraim and Joseph could be from a previous marriage but again need some proof.

In the 1861 census that gave me some touble Henry Thomas was living in Bloomsbury Street, Nechells a street I myself would be living in some 100 years later. (the census info had Thomas and his wife plus a servant living here).

I would be pleased to hear from you again regarding our Tullett family connections and you can be assured that if I do find any further information confirming Charles and Rhoda etc. I will let you know.

Going a little further back a possible link for Charles parents could be Edward Tulett (just 1 L) and Mary both from Slaugham. Charles 1824 and Rhoda 1827 are both burried in Slaugham.

Regards

Peter
 
Hi Peter
That's useful information about Charles and Rhoda - it gives me a clue which parish records to search when I get down to Sussex.

I have been unable to find Thomas (Albert & Henry Thomas' father) in the 1861 census - Harriet is living in Dean Street with Albert and Jane and is a greengrocer. I assumed Thomas had died by 1861.

Harriet died on 4 November 1865 at 19 Court Bromsgrove Street, age 62. I have a copy of her death certificate and the informant was Jane Tullett of 89 Bishopgate Street - and she has put her mark, rather than a signature, so she couldn't write. Harriet's 'occupation' is given as Wife of Thomas Tullett, Hatter, Master, so maybe he was still alive when she died.

Thomas is listed in an 1855 trade directory (Birmingham Trade List) as being a hatmaker at 89 Digbeth. There's also an E Tullett listed in 8 Upper Mill Street - I think this could be Ephraim, assuming he became a hatter.

I have also just re-read the research my mother did in the early 1980s, which gives an address where Albert was born in Cheltenham... so I'll check the trade directories to see if Thomas is listed there. I'd be fascinated to find out what he was doing in Cheltenham at that time.

Good luck with the research!
Debbie
 
Hi Debbie,

My great grandfather Frank Wilson Tullett had 4 other brothers and 1 sister to my knowledge. The sister Emily Jane and a brother Charles Leonard died very young. Two of his other brothers (Archibald and Thomas) went into the Glass and China business. The shop(s) that Archibald started would still be going over 100 years later and I remember as a young boy a shop owned by the Tulletts on the Alcester Road. Archibald and Son was still operating in a small shop in Bromsgrove at the start of this year but sadly has now gone out of business. After over 100 years what a pity.

Some years ago I contacted the then owner a Colin Tullett and told him about our family connection and my family tree project. He was very interested and we arranged to meet at his shop. I went along with the family tree and also a copy of his granfathers (Archibald) will I had obtained. He said he would see if he had information that would be of use to me, plus photographs etc.

It would seem however that his initial interest waned and after several more phone calls I gave up on this lead, a great pity. A tempus publication entitled 'Birmingham Shops and Shopping' by Peter Drake nad Andrew Maxam shows a very good photograph (page 110) of the shop at 170 Alcester Road with 2 men standing outside but no names. The book is in a series called 'Images of England'.

At the moment I am researching my grandfathers army service with the 2nd Battalion Worcestershire Regiment. This has taken the best part of 3 years now and has grown into a database of over 1600 names of the men who served alongside him during 1914. Do you have any family members serving in WW1?

Regards

Peter
 
Hi Peter

That's fascinating information about your great grandfather. It's a shame Colin Tullett didn't provide more family history leads though.

Thanks for the Tullett website - I downloaded the Excel spreadsheets a while ago. There's also Mandy Willard's site https://www.mandywillard.co.uk/surnames/tullett/family.htm. She's linked to (I think) a different branch, but she does have information about some other branches.

We haven't found an Tullett ancestors that served in WW1 yet. Most of Albert's children were girls and I haven't traced many of the boys' descendants yet, but I think they would have been too old to serve.

Debbie
 
Hi Debbie,

How strange I found the Mandy Willard site this afternoon and have been looking at it most of this evening. I think we may be on the wrong track with Charles and Rhoda though looking at the information on her site. I have contacted both Warwickshire County Records Office ( Thomas Tullett, hatter etc.) and West Sussex Record Office (Charles Tullett, of Crawley, and Ruddy (Rhoda?) for copies of the records they hold. Will let you know how I get on.

Regards

Peter
 
Hi Peter
Yes, do let me know how you get on.

I keep coming back to the record of a partnership agreement I found listed in the National Archives between Thomas Tullett (hatter of Birmingham) and his father Charles, gent of Crawley. There can't have been that many Thomas Tulletts in Birmingham who were hatters, with a father from Crawley.

What we really need is Harriet & Thomas' marriage record to see if any parents are listed for Thomas. And the agreement might have some clues in terms of addresses.

The agreement is in papers from Slatter, Son and More, solicitors, Warwickshire, held at the Warwickshire County Records Office, and listed as "Thomas Tullett, hatter of Birmingham and Charles Tullett, his father, gent, of Crawley, Sussex CR1596/Box 90/8/17 1820"

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?cat=187-cr1596&cid=17-8#17-8

Debbie
 
Hi Debbie,

I have recieved a copy of the marriage details for Charles and Rhoda Tullett from Sussex Record Office, also for burial details of Charles and Rhoda.

They were married by banns on 22nd November 1773 by Thomas William, Curate in the presence of John Chapman and William Attree. Charles signed his name and Rhoda put her mark (x). Rhodas' surname is Mutton not Mitton.

A Rhoda Mutton was christened on 1st June 1747, Rusper, Sussex. Her father was Ephraim Mutton and her mother was Sarah (could this be our Rhoda?). Ephraim Mutton married Sarah Kippins 6th October 1746, Rusper, Sussex.

Charles was 75 when he died (November 30th 1823) and Rhoda (January 22nd 1828) was aged 79. The ceremony for both burials was performed by R. Ellison.

I have also been to Warwick Record Office and obtained a copy of the document between Thomas Tullett and his father Charles. It is very hard to make out the contents and I will have to study it a lot more to make any sense of it.

Regards

Peter
 
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Hi Peter
Well done! It's conceivable that Rhoda is Thomas' mother - she'd have been around 42 if he was born in 1791, which is what the censuses are telling us, but that may, of course, be wrong.

I think the wills/conveyancing documents I found mention Rusper and an Ephraim, but I'll check later.

I'm going to the Birmingham records office at the end of the month and one task is to find the marriage record of Harriet and Thomas, which may give us more leads.

I'd be fascinated to hear what's in the partnership agreement once you've deciphered it!

Good luck!
Debbie
 
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