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This must have been a pub but what name

I think the place we are looking for was No1 Barn St and until 1950 it was an unnamed beer retailer as my next Kelly's is 1967 and it is not listed I am wondering if it ever was listed by name other than beer retailer in Kelly's?

Phil
 
Here's a turnup for the book. On the electoral rolls from 1920-55. no 1 Barn st is the Royal Oak -another one !. not named on maps or in directories though
Mike
 
The 1911 census enumerator's list for the area runs from Little Ann Street into Barn St, the first property being the Royal Oak public house, next is house No3, then 12 houses in no1 court (back of 3), then No4, etc.

Here's a view looking the other way, Morton, Fellows & Clayton's canalside warehouse in Fazeley St is in the distance.

A present day business listing has "Offering snacks and drinks Barn Street Diner is located at 1-2 Barn Street in Birmingham. Visit them or call on 0121 687 8730."

So in 1911 at least, this property was 1-2 Barn St, and a pub called the 'Royal Oak'.

I must also say that when I went in there about 3 years ago, they did a magnificent full English breakfast! You can still see that it used to be a pub inside, as well, despite a few alterations.

Quite often pubs and shops were left when an area was cleared of the 'slum' houses, left to flounder without customers - then the council wouldn't have to cover the costs of rehousing the businesses. It happened to a relative of mine who had a butcher's shop in Muntz St, the people were moved away and the houses demolished, his and nearby businesses had to close for lack of trade and the only value was the land the shop had stood on - so the compensation was mighty small.
 
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hi guys
you had better beleive it because it was the behive pub as he said and i can recall thispub once or twice in my life
firstly as i have mentioned once or twice about my grand parents the jelfs living and owning te transport coffee house at number 1 newcannal st
and thats on the corner of bordesly street and ajoining the typhoo factory i used to walk spot my grand parents dog around the block there every sunday morning
and afternoon way back in the fiftyies and around tthe seventys i worked at an electro plating company across the corner from there
and much to my surprize it had changed to a cafe and it was a very good clean and busy cafe
so as god made little apples i know it was the beehive pub before being the cafe and that bernie is correct
on the corner of bordesly st and new cannal st was the spotted dog and the other corner of bordesly st and new cannal st was alittle garage a ver small one with two petrol pumps
and after walking down bordesly street after that garage was a another cafe directly facing typhoo which during the years was never halfopen due to lack of trade as my grand parents shop had all the trade in those days and then there was an lard making and oil company next to them cross over and continue al#ong to the corner and just as you turn
the corner facing you on the other side was the beehive pub
have a nice day everybody and i hope you all put your clocks back astonion
 
Blimey Dek, look what you gone and started. I am now sure that it was the Beehive, The Vulcan and The Royal Oak or was never a pub in the first place. Simple eh?

But mentioning Bordesley Street, at the top Astonian, opposite the Polish Centre, what the hell was this odd looking building? Was it simply the garage you mentioned?
 

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hi there dek
many years ago in the early fifties and late fortys it was a little garage
and there was always a little van morris commercial every sunday morning when i used to go the grand partents walking down bordesleystreet and i remember helping grand father delivering stuff to the polish centre and i used to walk the dog in the park next to it
 
Thanks Astonian, well they don't build garages like that anymore. It is so ornate and with those fancy bobbly bits on top, I thought it might have been a little Cinema or something. Lovely story as ever...many thanks.
 
Dennis this place was on the Forum not so long ago, don't think we ever got a name. but you never know
 
mikejee said:
Here's a turnup for the book. On the electoral rolls from 1920-55. no 1 Barn st is the Royal Oak -another one !. not named on maps or in directories though
Mike
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Mike

Well done, I'd best change the name on my photos. I sometimes wonder why they will put any name on a photo rather than do a little research?

Phil
 
Columbo alert! Oh, and just one more thing...whilst looking at Google for all of the above I chanced upon this building corner of Liverpool Street/Adderley Street. I wondered if this was a Pub - and so it was. Answers on a postcard pleeze...
 
Dennis

The going back facility in google earth shows it was built between 2003 and 2005 (its an empty space in 2003). I can't imagine a new pub being built in that area (or almost any area) at that time, as so many were closing.
mike
 
No ,I've got it wrong, I looked at the rather poor quality earlier aerial picture and mistook a shadow for an empty space. Undoubtably they either completely renovated it or rebuilt it, but there is a building of the same size and shape on that site for the entire period of google earth
Mike.
 
Phew. OK then. Thanks for confirming Mike. Now, another old Pub across the other side of High Street, this time a chippy, but where? There is a clue in the mists...
 
Well Dennis that looks like the Church At Camp Hill but its no good asking me the name i always walked right past them. Dek
 
I think it was called The Dog Inn on Alcester St, it was also later The Lighthouse Rescue Mission & Café for down and outs. I remember when my lads did some work there in the eighties they used the café around the corner.

Phil
 
Perhaps someone could put a pub name name to this for me, it is on the corner of Moseley St and Rea St (north side) No 232 it is listed as a beer retailer and dining rooms but I am interested in if it was ever named as a pub anywhere. A photograph of it as a pub would be icing on the cake.

Phil

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Phil said:
I think it was called The Dog Inn on Alcester St, it was also later The Lighthouse Rescue Mission & Café for down and outs. I remember when my lads did some work there in the eighties they used the café around the corner.Phil
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The chippy is 154 Alcester St, which in the 1911 census was indeed the Dog Inn. In the distance one of the corner towers of the Paragon Hotel, formerly Rowton House.
 
The cafe is 232 Moseley Street, which in the 1911 census was owned by James William Knight, whose occupation is "Licenced Hotelier (crossed out and replaced by) Public House Manager" working for "Own Account" and "At Home".
No name for the property is given on the document or enumerators list though.

See also this and this
 
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Phil
I'm at a complete loss here. The 1921 & 1936 Kellys lists it as coffee rooms run by thomas adkins. From 1925 to 1935 the electoral roll describes it as the old Plough, run by thomas Adkins in 1935 but before that by the Flavells, Isaac initially , but in 1930 by his wife gertrude
Mike
 
So between 1911 and 1921 it ceased to be licenced premises - that doesn't surprise me as licences were 'transferred' to newer pubs in the suburbs as they were built. I would think the licence was quite valuable, let alone the property for resale into non-alcoholic use.
 
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