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They Were Caught In Our Old Street Pics...
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oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
Many window cleaners and ladders can be seen in the old forum pics and there appears to be one in this nice scene said to be Gravelly Hill c1912.
Streetview doesn't seem to show a corresponding view so maybe it is not Gravelly Hill or it has been buried under road improvement work.
Streetview doesn't seem to show a corresponding view so maybe it is not Gravelly Hill or it has been buried under road improvement work.
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Anne Watton
master brummie
Hi John, As my Uncle was one of eleven and living in squalor in city centre slums, in Sherlock Street, so I think it probably sorted him out and put him on the right track. He turned out OK in the end as did the other ten. All worked and earned their own living, unlike many today! My Mom was sent to Dr Barnardo's at the age of 6 for two years when her Mother developed milk fever when she was pregnant and a heater exploded. This was an experience which both traumatised and inspired her. So, as we all know whatever happens in our lives makes us the person we are.
oldbrit
OldBrit in Exile
There is a road in the mountains that has an old mining train track across it WITH SIGN TELLING THEM SO. 5k people on the ride last year, THEY ALL BLOODY FELL ORF! Not ONE thought to get off and walk across the tracks, INCLUDING ME! DUMMMMM! Cyclists. Lucky no one got hurt bad. John Crump OldBrit. Parker, Co USA
Stephen0002002
master brummie
Another set of excellent pics Phil
OK, photo #844 is partly covered by spaghetti junction now. Look for the junction of Slade Road and Gravelly Hill. The pub on the left was The Erdington Arms and the lane behind the fence led to a gravel pit latterly Powick Road. Heck that view is mostly concrete now. The 1890 ref is a bit earlier than the old photo...no tram lines and road on the right but the houses at the corner junction can be picked out and trees up the hill. All gone .
rupert thanks for sorting this one out...there is no way i would have worked it out...how different it looks now..
cheers
lyn
oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
Hi Rupert, thanks for that. I had a look on the britainfromabove site (see the link below) and think I can see what could be the Erdington Arms at the very bottom of the image dated 1928. Also had a look at Google Earth historical imagery and can see something, although their images have not been stitched together properly with bad errors. Looking at the old pics of the Erdington area it must have been rather posh in those days.
To see the enlarged slightly clearer image without pins you need to be signed in on the site
https://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/epw022594?search=slade&ref=16
ps. I notice there is mention of the Erdington Arms (Eardington) in the Salford Park thread but sadly the pics were lost in the 'hack'.
To see the enlarged slightly clearer image without pins you need to be signed in on the site
https://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/epw022594?search=slade&ref=16
ps. I notice there is mention of the Erdington Arms (Eardington) in the Salford Park thread but sadly the pics were lost in the 'hack'.
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My old computer worked so slow that 90% of the time on it was waiting for stuff to happen. I have a new one now with Win7 and an SSD and zillions of ram and it runs at light speed. Trouble is that the page has changed and stuff moved and I have not been able to figure out how to post 1890 map refs yet. I don't know; improvements are fine but just changing to something different that does nothing much more is a bit daft. I suppose it will all work out.
Now if they could just light speed us back...to the times above...with fitted kitchen and indoor bathrooms of course. Hmm...car...computer...weeell you have tp be civilised don't you. All great photo's as usual.
Now if they could just light speed us back...to the times above...with fitted kitchen and indoor bathrooms of course. Hmm...car...computer...weeell you have tp be civilised don't you. All great photo's as usual.
oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
Looking at that white object on the right in #848 it could possibly be a police telephone box. If it was dark coloured (blue) I would start to think about time travel and a 'Tardis'.
I'm posting this on an iPad while watching Man City v. Arsenal on Windows - great game !
I'm posting this on an iPad while watching Man City v. Arsenal on Windows - great game !
oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
A forum pic shows a group on the corner of Carpenters Rd Lozells. The chap standing on the pavement looks to be running a street greengrocer business, not very mobile because he's got no trailer. The two men in shirt sleeves and the smartly dressed lady don't look to be people who would buy veg from a street trader, so they are probably from the council telling him he should not be there. All in my imagination of course !
The prices on the trader's board look 'old money' so pre 1971.
On 'streetview' the building behind them appears to have been demolished, but the building on the right is still there.
The prices on the trader's board look 'old money' so pre 1971.
On 'streetview' the building behind them appears to have been demolished, but the building on the right is still there.
Lots to look at in the Carpenter Rd photo Phil. The blackboard is advertising King Edward potatoes. There's a box of Geest bananas under the stall (my mum once told me those boxes sometimes contained massive spiders). There's a big mesh bag of onions in the van. So the stall was selling both fruit and veg. There are two people in the van: a young girl in a mini skirt and a man sorting stock, so expect the stall got brisk trade. The nicely dressed girl is wearing a Mary Quant dress; black with white collar. I had one very similar and they looked very smart. As an alternative suggestion to Council officials, they could be office workers on their lunch break. Looks very like the sort of thing I'd do in my lunch break on a sunny day. Interesting photo. Viv.
TOPSYTURVEY
brum
The same lady on Lozells Rd Pic.
ahh well spotted topsy it is the same lady in both photos..both photos taken on the corner of carpenters road and lozells road..both taken before a tad before decimalisation came in...both pics from the collection that ray griffiths friend took..
lyn
lyn
oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
Hi Topsy - Definitely well spotted. Looking at your photo, I notice the stall has got wheels and now I take another look at the previous pic I can just see a wheel. The lady in your photo appears to be serving so maybe she owned the stall, and she seems to be resting a foot in both pics. Lozells Rd looks a busy shopping road just as I remember it.
In both pictures the stall is on a junction. It doesn't seem to be part of a street market in either pic. I expect the barrow was left somewhere in the street overnight and the blue van (I assume the stall owners) brought fresh produce to the stall every day. Must have been a nice little earner. Maybe he had some sort of licence to trade but I doubt he had to pay for the pitches. Viv.
hi viv
beleive me or not it only lasted for a couple of weeks and no it was not left there over night as i recall them my self vizualy
and daily and its the days of the health deparments used to get out and about before they decided it was warmer to stay in the office
It also happenend to a old friend of my young brother whom built four hot dog carts himself home made looked good and mobile
he was operational for about three months this was in the days of the old hot dog seller whom had a couple of cars arund the city
He was cLOSED DOWN AFTER A COUPLE OF YEARS BEING IN THE CITY ; THEN A BIG COMPANY OF TODAY STEPPED IN AND GOT THE LICENCE
TO OPERATE ALL AROUND THE CITY YOU HAVE HEARD OF THE EXPRESSION ; IT AINT WHAT YOU KNOW ITS A CASE OF WHOM YOU KNOW
BUT GETTING BACK TO THE GUY WHOM BUILT THESE BRILLIANT CARTS AND THEY HAD RUNNING HOT WATER AND HEATING AND TOWELLING
HE HAD FOUR ; AND I RAN ONE FOR HIM OUT SIDE THE TOWER BALLROOM AND ONE AT BULLPITTS SPRINGHILL
AND ONE AT HE NAGGS HEAD ICKNELD PORT RD WHILST ON HIS WAY UP THE MONUMENT RD ONE THURSDAY EVENING SETTING OUT WALKING UP MONUMENT RD LADYWOOD A CAR PULL UP AND A MAN PRODUCED HIS DOCUMENTS AND YES IT WAS THE HEALTH DEPT CHECKED THEM OUT AND ORDERD HIM TO TAKE THEM OFF THE RD HE WAS ON A GOOD EARNER PENNY FOR THE BUNS FROM GREEN LANE BAKEY AND A TIN OF HOT DOGS AND AFEW ONIONS HE WAS RAKING IT IN ;
AT THE SELLING PRICE OF ONE SHILING AND 6 d he was out long before todays company around brum beleive me
and yes the old law stands today you have to have a street traders licence which is an old law to make a living ;
yet you can keep a dog with no licence which all dog owners are aware of was an old law which is not kept up with today
but yes our friends did not escape the ruling of an hawkers licence plus the fact the super market gangs moved into ozells rd and the rest is history
merry christmas viv ; and have a happy and healthy new year to you ncidently i lived in around berners street with my mother at that period so i recall very viv; Astonian;; alan;;;;
beleive me or not it only lasted for a couple of weeks and no it was not left there over night as i recall them my self vizualy
and daily and its the days of the health deparments used to get out and about before they decided it was warmer to stay in the office
It also happenend to a old friend of my young brother whom built four hot dog carts himself home made looked good and mobile
he was operational for about three months this was in the days of the old hot dog seller whom had a couple of cars arund the city
He was cLOSED DOWN AFTER A COUPLE OF YEARS BEING IN THE CITY ; THEN A BIG COMPANY OF TODAY STEPPED IN AND GOT THE LICENCE
TO OPERATE ALL AROUND THE CITY YOU HAVE HEARD OF THE EXPRESSION ; IT AINT WHAT YOU KNOW ITS A CASE OF WHOM YOU KNOW
BUT GETTING BACK TO THE GUY WHOM BUILT THESE BRILLIANT CARTS AND THEY HAD RUNNING HOT WATER AND HEATING AND TOWELLING
HE HAD FOUR ; AND I RAN ONE FOR HIM OUT SIDE THE TOWER BALLROOM AND ONE AT BULLPITTS SPRINGHILL
AND ONE AT HE NAGGS HEAD ICKNELD PORT RD WHILST ON HIS WAY UP THE MONUMENT RD ONE THURSDAY EVENING SETTING OUT WALKING UP MONUMENT RD LADYWOOD A CAR PULL UP AND A MAN PRODUCED HIS DOCUMENTS AND YES IT WAS THE HEALTH DEPT CHECKED THEM OUT AND ORDERD HIM TO TAKE THEM OFF THE RD HE WAS ON A GOOD EARNER PENNY FOR THE BUNS FROM GREEN LANE BAKEY AND A TIN OF HOT DOGS AND AFEW ONIONS HE WAS RAKING IT IN ;
AT THE SELLING PRICE OF ONE SHILING AND 6 d he was out long before todays company around brum beleive me
and yes the old law stands today you have to have a street traders licence which is an old law to make a living ;
yet you can keep a dog with no licence which all dog owners are aware of was an old law which is not kept up with today
but yes our friends did not escape the ruling of an hawkers licence plus the fact the super market gangs moved into ozells rd and the rest is history
merry christmas viv ; and have a happy and healthy new year to you ncidently i lived in around berners street with my mother at that period so i recall very viv; Astonian;; alan;;;;
Hi Alan. I'll bet there's a few of us members have savoured the delights of your friends hot dog stands. Perfect food after the pub or coming home from a club. Your friend sounds like an early Richard Branson - but pity about the brush with the health inspector!
Interesting that the two photos of the stalls might have been taken on the same day. Suggests the photos of the stall were taken for a particular purpose, i.e.not just for interest? Viv.
Interesting that the two photos of the stalls might have been taken on the same day. Suggests the photos of the stall were taken for a particular purpose, i.e.not just for interest? Viv.
hi viv;
yes it was abit tough for him to run across the health inspector as it started off very well indeed
it was late of the night when we took our carts back to his house in ickneild square he told us he had to finish because the guy in is car stopped and produced his ID card this was in the very eary 60,s possible 1 or 2 years then 12 months down the line the big international dezign and highly posh excetitive carts
was swamping birmingham city but fair play they was of an high standard when first on the scene but afew years down the line they started to employ dirty looking people of undesirables and the standard of there dress was highly unexceptable it certantly put people off that i certainly know
and i was one of them put off so i stuck with the bake pototoe man at the bottom of new street station; may be it was because it brought memory,s of me going down the onion fair as a kid went every night some times after school when mom was in hospital; haveing another kid
the old man [ fater ] used to go barmy at me for not coming straight home from school [ upper thomas st.] i used to go around with a kid called ian
from bracebridge st in those days i was about eight years old then;
and the last time i ever done that was when i went one winters night it was freezing and there was patches of thick ice on the ground
i slipped on it and cut my knee very bad but never noticed until i got home in the hous light the old man shouted when i got in late from school
about seven on the night but i won a coconut for a penny roll in the bucket when the old fella shouted at me i stopped crying and said dad i won a coco nut
he said where is it then ; i said i have hidden it the bath on the fence out side and thats where we kept our tin bath ; oh he said fetch it in
and he took it off me and got the hammer and cracked it all open and we all sat and eaten it and all was well afew days later all was well;
best wishes viv ; ALAN; ASTONIAN;;;;
yes it was abit tough for him to run across the health inspector as it started off very well indeed
it was late of the night when we took our carts back to his house in ickneild square he told us he had to finish because the guy in is car stopped and produced his ID card this was in the very eary 60,s possible 1 or 2 years then 12 months down the line the big international dezign and highly posh excetitive carts
was swamping birmingham city but fair play they was of an high standard when first on the scene but afew years down the line they started to employ dirty looking people of undesirables and the standard of there dress was highly unexceptable it certantly put people off that i certainly know
and i was one of them put off so i stuck with the bake pototoe man at the bottom of new street station; may be it was because it brought memory,s of me going down the onion fair as a kid went every night some times after school when mom was in hospital; haveing another kid
the old man [ fater ] used to go barmy at me for not coming straight home from school [ upper thomas st.] i used to go around with a kid called ian
from bracebridge st in those days i was about eight years old then;
and the last time i ever done that was when i went one winters night it was freezing and there was patches of thick ice on the ground
i slipped on it and cut my knee very bad but never noticed until i got home in the hous light the old man shouted when i got in late from school
about seven on the night but i won a coconut for a penny roll in the bucket when the old fella shouted at me i stopped crying and said dad i won a coco nut
he said where is it then ; i said i have hidden it the bath on the fence out side and thats where we kept our tin bath ; oh he said fetch it in
and he took it off me and got the hammer and cracked it all open and we all sat and eaten it and all was well afew days later all was well;
best wishes viv ; ALAN; ASTONIAN;;;;
oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
He watches the demolition of old buildings in Miller Street in 1967, perhaps he was glad to see the old buildings go.
Thinking back I don't remember being particularly bothered by all the demolition and rebuilding and welcomed the underpasses and flyovers etc.
I watched the Post Office tower being built and remember being slightly disappointed because there was no restaurant on top.
I've seen three places named Bull Ring, I'm on our third central library ... oh well change happens for better or for worse ... wonder what's next ?
Thinking back I don't remember being particularly bothered by all the demolition and rebuilding and welcomed the underpasses and flyovers etc.
I watched the Post Office tower being built and remember being slightly disappointed because there was no restaurant on top.
I've seen three places named Bull Ring, I'm on our third central library ... oh well change happens for better or for worse ... wonder what's next ?
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horsencart
master brummie
And two Snow Hill Stations, and Two or is it Three? New Street Stations, a Ring Road appear and for the main part dissapear, traffic dissapear from New Street and Corparation St, Bull St, trees disapear from Bull St, Corparation St, Stevenson St, phone boxes dissapear from the streets of Brum, and reapear in the pockets of the publice, buses dissapear from New St, Corparaton St, and the tram that dissapeared some sixty odd years ago to reapear some time in 2015,
There may be others in fact I am certain that there are many others. just rememberd the negative film has long since gone, the last Birmingham built bus the "Metrobus" gone in 2010,
There may be others in fact I am certain that there are many others. just rememberd the negative film has long since gone, the last Birmingham built bus the "Metrobus" gone in 2010,
I watched the Post Office tower being built and remember being slightly disappointed because there was no restaurant on top.
I've seen three places named Bull Ring, I'm on our third central library ... oh well change happens for better or for worse ... wonder what's next ?
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