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The Jewellery Quarter
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Charlie
GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN
Sorry Lyn, no...but the doors in the "round window" make it look as though it was some kind of mill (think there would be a block and tackle there). I can't imagine that's possible in the area, can you?
Maybe a paper mill though....it's about half way down the left-hand side of Kenyon Street, if you're walking down it from Caroline Street to Constitution Hill. I'd love to know what it was originally.
Maybe a paper mill though....it's about half way down the left-hand side of Kenyon Street, if you're walking down it from Caroline Street to Constitution Hill. I'd love to know what it was originally.
In c 1889 it seems to have been the back entrance of Hall St Rolling Mills. It is shown as part of that on the c1889 map. Kellys shows Hall St Rolling mills as at 25 Hall St, with nothing listed as at the position in Kenyon st, presumably as it was only a back entrance.
sistersue61
master brummie
Lovely pics, I hadn't really been round the area before, only to buy engagement rings lol! - but yesterday we had a stroll round and it really is a lovely area. Have plans to come back and visit the Pen Museum as well as the Jewellry quarter museum, lunch at the Jewellers Arms and window shop for Xmas.
Sue
Sue
Charlie
GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN
Lovely pic of Kenyon Street Carolina. That makes sense Mike, so I guess that's exactly what it is (was). Will have to take a walk down Hall Street now and see if the front's still standing!
Sue: The JQ area is one of the best areas in Brum, I think. Because it's a conservation area now there's not so much they can muck around with .... please god!
Sue: The JQ area is one of the best areas in Brum, I think. Because it's a conservation area now there's not so much they can muck around with .... please god!
James_the_3rd
master brummie
Good Photo's
HI Lyn;@james ;
firstly lynn for some one whom lived a stone throw from the warstone lane and the jewerly quarter and spent most of my given time up and around that quarter and worked in the area and the squalour of the broken down factories seven days aweek in the earliey years in the fifties and sixties
its not really changed at al what they have done is openened up afew posh whole salers along the main street go down and around
the back streets suck as keyon street and the backs of vyse street and surrounding theres been no change
and there was crooked dealers then ; and now even more so today in my opiniuon its worse now than ever from my younger days
from crooked dealers and the street muggers just like the key ;warstone lane muggers paradise ;and druggies paradise ;
i was brought up there in the forties and my mother lived up there before the war and after and i spent my boy days up and around there
to people whom never lived or played around there would never know any differents ; as to the daily running and the hustle and bustle of the
old jewerly quarter ;its no good saying yes i know the quarter when you have not really been involved like me
do not take ths wrong but going up from time to time in the day time to purchase items of jewerly
yes you will see bigger and brighter posh fronted show rooms some are bargains some aint beleive me i personaly from experience and from meeting and listing to people mis giving and regret going there ; james on the subject of muggers paradie you are quite correct; but it as been like that for centurays
long before my time and possible before your time in the forties and fifties it was a well known about the street carriers ;
old men and ladies and youths that it they had a package ; or a brief case ; or shopping bag carrying ; in view that it was one hundred percent
they was either carryg gold silver or diamonds either to the bank or to another bussiness within the area and if you targetted them you would score big time ;
and as time moved onin the fifties it got worse you wold hear or rad of the mugging of such a person at least once or twice aweek ;
useing cortina,scar to drive off ;that i think its was so bad they openenend uphe police station by the clock of warstone lane i can recallin my youth the building of that police station and yes about two years ago i put on here about thewarstone lane cemetry i can remember when they made that anopen plannwhich was the worse the council done thats wher they run if they are foot ;so its nothink newlynn and james
as i have previously said the bull ring quarter was the same in the seventys and eightys day time markets [ good ] but night time it was a different world
i know because i ran a pub resturant there in the bull ring ;ordinary people never knew the night time life it was a different world ; beleive me ; astonian
firstly lynn for some one whom lived a stone throw from the warstone lane and the jewerly quarter and spent most of my given time up and around that quarter and worked in the area and the squalour of the broken down factories seven days aweek in the earliey years in the fifties and sixties
its not really changed at al what they have done is openened up afew posh whole salers along the main street go down and around
the back streets suck as keyon street and the backs of vyse street and surrounding theres been no change
and there was crooked dealers then ; and now even more so today in my opiniuon its worse now than ever from my younger days
from crooked dealers and the street muggers just like the key ;warstone lane muggers paradise ;and druggies paradise ;
i was brought up there in the forties and my mother lived up there before the war and after and i spent my boy days up and around there
to people whom never lived or played around there would never know any differents ; as to the daily running and the hustle and bustle of the
old jewerly quarter ;its no good saying yes i know the quarter when you have not really been involved like me
do not take ths wrong but going up from time to time in the day time to purchase items of jewerly
yes you will see bigger and brighter posh fronted show rooms some are bargains some aint beleive me i personaly from experience and from meeting and listing to people mis giving and regret going there ; james on the subject of muggers paradie you are quite correct; but it as been like that for centurays
long before my time and possible before your time in the forties and fifties it was a well known about the street carriers ;
old men and ladies and youths that it they had a package ; or a brief case ; or shopping bag carrying ; in view that it was one hundred percent
they was either carryg gold silver or diamonds either to the bank or to another bussiness within the area and if you targetted them you would score big time ;
and as time moved onin the fifties it got worse you wold hear or rad of the mugging of such a person at least once or twice aweek ;
useing cortina,scar to drive off ;that i think its was so bad they openenend uphe police station by the clock of warstone lane i can recallin my youth the building of that police station and yes about two years ago i put on here about thewarstone lane cemetry i can remember when they made that anopen plannwhich was the worse the council done thats wher they run if they are foot ;so its nothink newlynn and james
as i have previously said the bull ring quarter was the same in the seventys and eightys day time markets [ good ] but night time it was a different world
i know because i ran a pub resturant there in the bull ring ;ordinary people never knew the night time life it was a different world ; beleive me ; astonian
James_the_3rd
master brummie
Jewellery
HI James;
yes indeed its a sad state of affairs today in fact for the last tweny years to my knowledge there is alot of places around birmingham city
which ws and still is a no go areas of brum; where you dare not walk down the certain streets in certain area
after 7,30 in the evening tht i do know there are alot of people in brum whom are not aware of the situation
and what makes it worse there aint no police around like there used to be ; but i can understand that with cut backs and being under minded and why they cannot be bothered ;to respond ;
after a certain time in worcestershire is now becoming the same ; in our area they have to come for 15 miles if i was call them out
for any think its about two coppers to covermost of the county ; and i can tell you we have incidences where they rang and made the appointments there selves to visit you and never turned up i am talking from experiences and other local people have told me the same story my own neibour whom is in a ripe old age ; got robbed they told her they would ome out on a date but never showed ;
i,m afraid we will have to do what the yakes do buya gun and defend your self ;because the way hings are going bad to worse and our police force is diminishing rapidly commit murder you could walk away ;today ;our local police say you do not see us because we use unmarked cars and vans
its complete nonesenseeven the local wardon ; you never ever see him ;its makes me smile because our local chiefes
and our local paper from time to time stated and its ben on the BBC news that our part of the county is the saftety part of the country to live
in complete rubbish ; we do not get muggers ; but shop lifters and burglars are rampant and then its the same old story put it in our local rag ;
did you see any think ; or know of its contents where about ring the office and asked for PC Plodd they say our county as a high rate of officiers on patrol more than any other county in the midlands ; its complete nonsense
well james i had better make a move have a nice day , best wishes astonian ;
yes indeed its a sad state of affairs today in fact for the last tweny years to my knowledge there is alot of places around birmingham city
which ws and still is a no go areas of brum; where you dare not walk down the certain streets in certain area
after 7,30 in the evening tht i do know there are alot of people in brum whom are not aware of the situation
and what makes it worse there aint no police around like there used to be ; but i can understand that with cut backs and being under minded and why they cannot be bothered ;to respond ;
after a certain time in worcestershire is now becoming the same ; in our area they have to come for 15 miles if i was call them out
for any think its about two coppers to covermost of the county ; and i can tell you we have incidences where they rang and made the appointments there selves to visit you and never turned up i am talking from experiences and other local people have told me the same story my own neibour whom is in a ripe old age ; got robbed they told her they would ome out on a date but never showed ;
i,m afraid we will have to do what the yakes do buya gun and defend your self ;because the way hings are going bad to worse and our police force is diminishing rapidly commit murder you could walk away ;today ;our local police say you do not see us because we use unmarked cars and vans
its complete nonesenseeven the local wardon ; you never ever see him ;its makes me smile because our local chiefes
and our local paper from time to time stated and its ben on the BBC news that our part of the county is the saftety part of the country to live
in complete rubbish ; we do not get muggers ; but shop lifters and burglars are rampant and then its the same old story put it in our local rag ;
did you see any think ; or know of its contents where about ring the office and asked for PC Plodd they say our county as a high rate of officiers on patrol more than any other county in the midlands ; its complete nonsense
well james i had better make a move have a nice day , best wishes astonian ;
Charlie
GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN
Planning applications from the Hockley Flyer newsheet:
Land to the rear of the former Duke of York ph & 50 Hylton Street (off York Terrace). Part demolition of building on site to create 13 live/work units.
Land off Charlotte Street to create 195 bed hotel.
Former public convenience Icknield Street: Change of use from a public convenience to retail (!)
17 Key Hill Drive. Change of use from commercial offices to live/work units.
Camden Street/Sloane St/Camden Drive/Legge Lane land. Consent for demolition works in association with redevelopment of site to provide 25 townhouses and 86 apartments.
My family (and Kathleen Dayus's) came from Camden Drive, so I'm particularly interested in the last one.
I wonder how many of these will be actually done - or will the developers go bust first!
Land to the rear of the former Duke of York ph & 50 Hylton Street (off York Terrace). Part demolition of building on site to create 13 live/work units.
Land off Charlotte Street to create 195 bed hotel.
Former public convenience Icknield Street: Change of use from a public convenience to retail (!)
17 Key Hill Drive. Change of use from commercial offices to live/work units.
Camden Street/Sloane St/Camden Drive/Legge Lane land. Consent for demolition works in association with redevelopment of site to provide 25 townhouses and 86 apartments.
My family (and Kathleen Dayus's) came from Camden Drive, so I'm particularly interested in the last one.
I wonder how many of these will be actually done - or will the developers go bust first!
its going to be a very small shop then charlie..just had another look at some pics of it..think there is a tesco in camden st now as well...those old toilets would have made a nice little tourist info centre but its not really in the right location..
lyn..
lyn..
Just been reading all the threads, hope to visit quarter & surround again soon. 3 members of my family lived at no.1, 1 Cox Street - opposite St. Paul's Church (1841 census). The day I visited, July 2010. I have to tell you. I came out of New Street Station and felt I'd come home. I had some idea of what I'd expect to see but I was really pleased, including lunch in one of the local pubs, 2 course, glass of wine - for two - under £15! Good teamwork at the jewellery museum. We bought some jewellery across the road, contemporary, more to my taste, good price too. A quick visit to the Central Library, the often nightmare sudden platform changes at New Street, came home. It was brilliant.
HI LYN ;
Am i reading correctly that the old toilets at the bottom of ickneild street are going to become a shop
the ones by the mint and used to be opersite the butchers called stodards
i think its becoming the norm now with these councils across the country because here in worcestershire we have done excatly the same
with a small block of public toiets [ mens and womens ] it is next to a cemetry ; directly across the rd from the very cemetry
and its opeened up as as a undrtakers office with the little offices above it it really is umbeleiverable to think of
with the ones you have at ickneild street i cannot see any purpose for it as you still have shops across the rd from it so surely it wpould not happen ;
the only thing i could ever see whats gonna happen is it possible a taxi office it sure would not get the planning permission for a food out let ;
but there again knowing whom the planners are i suspect it will be a taxi office base which if i think back i am not sure where there is a taxi office for that part of the area it could prove to be handy as all i can recall is constitution hill and up at the ivy bush by the pub are the excisting offices ; i must come and find out and see it ;when i last drove up therethe other week i look around and recalling the area as i knew growing up and it certaily had memorys
like most area of brum esp[ecialy the lady wood they have distroyed it that being the planners
especialy around the king edwards rd and the st marks street what on earth or deamt it up beyond me i can tell you ;
lyn thanks for the info; on this ; best wishes alan ;; astonian;;
Am i reading correctly that the old toilets at the bottom of ickneild street are going to become a shop
the ones by the mint and used to be opersite the butchers called stodards
i think its becoming the norm now with these councils across the country because here in worcestershire we have done excatly the same
with a small block of public toiets [ mens and womens ] it is next to a cemetry ; directly across the rd from the very cemetry
and its opeened up as as a undrtakers office with the little offices above it it really is umbeleiverable to think of
with the ones you have at ickneild street i cannot see any purpose for it as you still have shops across the rd from it so surely it wpould not happen ;
the only thing i could ever see whats gonna happen is it possible a taxi office it sure would not get the planning permission for a food out let ;
but there again knowing whom the planners are i suspect it will be a taxi office base which if i think back i am not sure where there is a taxi office for that part of the area it could prove to be handy as all i can recall is constitution hill and up at the ivy bush by the pub are the excisting offices ; i must come and find out and see it ;when i last drove up therethe other week i look around and recalling the area as i knew growing up and it certaily had memorys
like most area of brum esp[ecialy the lady wood they have distroyed it that being the planners
especialy around the king edwards rd and the st marks street what on earth or deamt it up beyond me i can tell you ;
lyn thanks for the info; on this ; best wishes alan ;; astonian;;
hi lynn
how are you keeping fine i hope?
i was wondering whether or not is there much progress on these building at warstone lane
as i would like to take a look for myself as i am thinking along the lines of a bussines sense for a project that my son and myself
are thinking along the lines you may not know it but these toilets building are taking off
there was recentlly down at acocks green by the picture house which my son told me about it was up for sale
i spoke out about it and told him my views but yesterday going to our ware house we passed bye and i was impressed by the turn around
as to the way they converted to a shop it looked good ; we have one in worcestershire being done in the last twelve months
and its an under tkers office ; mind you its next to the cemetry it loks impressive ; and they are reasonable cheap to buy ;
have a nice day lynn ; best wishes alan ;; astonian;;
how are you keeping fine i hope?
i was wondering whether or not is there much progress on these building at warstone lane
as i would like to take a look for myself as i am thinking along the lines of a bussines sense for a project that my son and myself
are thinking along the lines you may not know it but these toilets building are taking off
there was recentlly down at acocks green by the picture house which my son told me about it was up for sale
i spoke out about it and told him my views but yesterday going to our ware house we passed bye and i was impressed by the turn around
as to the way they converted to a shop it looked good ; we have one in worcestershire being done in the last twelve months
and its an under tkers office ; mind you its next to the cemetry it loks impressive ; and they are reasonable cheap to buy ;
have a nice day lynn ; best wishes alan ;; astonian;;
rosie
brummie
Yes wilmott, we went some years ago, but now it's quite a long time to stand and walk about. I enoyed hearing how the hand-washing water was filtered through sawdust which was then burned to recover the gold. Also the ends of stool-legs were sawn off and burned for the same reason, extra layers were then added on top to bring them up to height!
It was good to imagine how Grandad worked at his bench.
rosie.
It was good to imagine how Grandad worked at his bench.
rosie.
A bit more info about the Heritage Lottery Funding of 3 Jewellery Qtr projects: JQ Townscape, JQ cemeteries and the Standard Works. The full article's here.......... https://www.jewelleryquarter.net/2015/10/multi-million-pound-boost-to-transform-jewellery-quarter/
The Townscape project covers 3 properties which are now too dangerous to enter - all Grade II listed structures – at 46, Frederick Street; 6, Legge Lane; and 36-46 Vittoria Street.
Good news and a great boost for the JQ. Hope the Standard Works achieves the full funding to establish its Heritage Gallery/Centre. Viv.
The Townscape project covers 3 properties which are now too dangerous to enter - all Grade II listed structures – at 46, Frederick Street; 6, Legge Lane; and 36-46 Vittoria Street.
Good news and a great boost for the JQ. Hope the Standard Works achieves the full funding to establish its Heritage Gallery/Centre. Viv.
Sorting out my old dvd's, I came across one with a lot of the old factories in the Jewellery Quarter. Not sure when I took these and do not know the names of most of the buildings. It was probably when I was visiting my uncles factory Arthur Wardle & Co. in Albion Street. The company is still very much in existence and still run by the family but have moved to new premises. I enclose some of the photos that may bring back memories.
