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Smith William, sawyer, Upper Marshall Street 1851 census
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MWS
from Bham
Is it George Road Lyn or George Street?
MWS
from Bham
Thanks.
104 George St is still there then.
104 George St is still there then.
That IS compelling evidence! Thank you for pointing that out. i think that clinches the connection with the Adderley Street baptism!
I have tried in vain to find this couple on the 1841 census….William and Sarah married in 1833 and Hannah was born in 1845…so she was still alive then…so I should be able to find the two of them together somewhere in Warwickshire on the 1841 census. Then again, the 1841 census does seem to have been rather haphazard.
MWS
from Bham
It does seem that even from the limited evidence available that Hannah's father appeared to have a few different jobs before finally settling down as a chemical labourer.
On the 1851 census he appears to be listed as Pearl Button (?) Maker and on the 1841 there is a William Smith of the right age living in Gosta Green who is listed as the same. Wife is Sarah but the age is a little way out to correspond with the Smith/Wilkinson marriage so not sure. There are 2 children but there is not a Smith/Wilkinson reg. for either.
I don't like to advise people to spend money but it may be wise to purchase a copy of Hannah's birth certificate for more confirmation. And also Sarah's death certificate though there are a few it might be, Jun 1849 reg. Aston being the most likely. Digital images are just £3.00.
Also on the 1891 census William is listed as having had a stroke.
I think you have all solved one of my longest standing mysteries of my family tree. Using the information a number of you have contributed, I first found the marriage of William Smith to Sarah Wilkinson in Kenilworth St. Nicholas in October 1833. So this must be where the idea of a Kenilworth birth for Hannah came from. Then I managed to find the birth certificate of Hannah Smith shown here….as you can see, Adderley Street is the place and her mother is Sarah Wilkinson….and her father was not a lock maker but a lock-gate keeper, which makes sense as I presume that is not a skilled job…he seemed to take on unskilled jobs such as sawyer later in life. So, a huge thank you to everyone on the forum who kept on trying to help me. My mistake was concentrating on the profession of Sawyer, which he did take up in later life….and on believing that the Kenilworth birthplace must be correct. I have learned a lot from this. I think the members on this forum are brilliant!
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and you only joined us last saturday brotog
not wishing to blow our own trumpets but we do have some very skilled researchers on the forum who over the years has taught us including me not to always believe what is written down..look outside the box and sometimes take info with a pinch of salt..lyn
MWS
from Bham
I think we've all been caught out by incorrect information on the censuses etc. If you're lucky you realise it quite soon but it can lead you down the wrong path and to a lot of wasted research.
And on the subject of jobs, I'd guess for William when he moved to Bham and coming from a rural area, like a lot of people in his position, there was not much he could do except manual work and he took whatever he could get.
And on the subject of jobs, I'd guess for William when he moved to Bham and coming from a rural area, like a lot of people in his position, there was not much he could do except manual work and he took whatever he could get.
MWS
from Bham
William's birthplace is listed as Haseley on I think all the other censuses. He appears to have been the son of Thomas Smith and Hannah Keen, baptised 1814.
Thanks so much again for this! You really have helped me to gather all the facts of William’s life. I am very grateful for all of your inputs. I am now trying to find his first wife’s death date, sometime between April 1845 and may 1849 when he remarried to Ann Bradburn. It seems he and Sarah had 5 children together but only Hannah, the youngest, was with him and Ann in 1851. I think I’ve managed to trace most of them in 1851 living elsewhere.
MWS
from Bham
There are a couple possible deaths reg. in Bham - Mar 1846, aged 26 (a bit young and a bit early maybe?) and Sep 1848, aged 32.
Tricky and that's assuming she died where they were living and not on a visit to family or something.
How have you worked out the other children?
And I think you'd be very lucky to get any sort of picture of the house unfortunately.
Tricky and that's assuming she died where they were living and not on a visit to family or something.
How have you worked out the other children?
And I think you'd be very lucky to get any sort of picture of the house unfortunately.
If the 1841 census family I have found is the correct one, living in Shut Lane, William and Sarah had four children, Alfred 1834, William 1835, Jane 1837 and Mary 1839. I can find no evidence of other children before Hannah arrived in March 1845. I realised that by the time of the 1851 census, Alfred would be about 17, William about 16, Jane would be about 14 and Mary about 12, and Hannah about 6. I tried to find each of them living without their father and mother…(except for Hannah who was living with her father and his new wife, Ann) I think I found each of them either working, or apprenticed, or living with a family.