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Palmer family 9/50 Benacre Street

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For those interested on other threads, this is info on 9/50 Benacre Street 1920 - 1925

1921 Census:
Harry (Henry) Palmer from Taunton and his wife Eliza (nee Shepherd, fom Sherbourne Rd)
Children:
Harry (William Henry) - 1905
Charles Frederick -
Emmeline Mary - 1914
Nellie - 1915
Frances Annie

13th June 1922 - Birth of Minnie (Susan), registered Sep Qtr on GRO
Christmas 1925 - marriage of William Henry to Hilda Ward, still at 9/50 Benacre.

Prior to this, in 1911, Harry (Snr) and Eliza were at Kynaston Buildings (with Harry's sister from Taunton), while Harry Jr was round the corner in Oak Tree Place (Sherbourne Rd) with his grandparents.

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Dear Proper Brummie Kid,
Thank you so much for this reply and for kindly taking the time to do so. I've only just started this Palmer quest (at 77) so will save this information. I'm so sorry for taking so long to respond, but I find navigating this site so fiddly and frustrating!!
Warmest Regards,
Nick Nicholls. (Palmer descendant)
 
No problem, Nick.

Your Palmers were at 43 Johnson Rd for quite some time - the electoral rolls show those of voting age over the years:

NameResidence YearWardStreet Address
Thomas Palmer1912Washwood Heath43 Johnson street
Thomas Palmer1920Erdington43 Johnson Street
Emma Palmer1920Erdington43 Johnson Street
Thomas Palmer1922Erdington43 Johnson Street
Emma Palmer1922Erdington43 Johnson Street
Thomas Palmer1925Erdington43 Johnson Street
Emma Palmer1925Erdington43 Johnson Street
Emily Palmer1935Erdington43 Johnson Street
Thomas William Palmer1935Erdington43 Johnson Street
Albert Harry Palmer1935Erdington43 Johnson Street
Arthur Robert Palmer1935Erdington43 Johnson Street
May Victoria Palmer1935Erdington43 Johnson Street
Albert H Palmer1960Aston43 Johnson Street
May V Palmer1960Aston43 Johnson Street
Albert H Palmer1962Districts 112 to 21443 Johnson Street
May V Palmer1962Districts 112 to 21443 Johnson Street
Palmer May V1965Districts 112 to 21443 Johnson Street
 
Are any of the above related to a THOMAS WILSON PALMER who lived in Soho Hill and surrounding areas in around 1930s? He was married to a DORA MERCY PALMER (formally COLLET) WILSON PALMER was their son and the adoptive family of my maternal grandmother.
 
They appear to be 3 completely unrelated Palmer families...

Thomas Wilson Palmer of Soho Hill, son of John Palmer, son of Thomas Palmer all from Wednesbury

Thomas Palmer of Johnson St, son of Robert, son of William all from Bham

Harry Palmer of Benacre St, son of Eli/Thomas, son of Robert all from Somerset
 
MWS said:
They appear to be 3 completely unrelated Palmer families...

Thomas Wilson Palmer of Soho Hill, son of John Palmer, son of Thomas Palmer all from Wednesbury

Thomas Palmer of Johnson St, son of Robert, son of William all from Bham

Harry Palmer of Benacre St, son of Eli/Thomas, son of Robert all from Somerset
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Regards the Palmers of Soho Hill, you are correct mentioning Wednesbury but that was only from around 1936 when Thomas Wilson Palmer lived in Piercy Street with his wife, Dora Mercy Palmer, son, Wilson Palmer and my maternal grandmother (Freda Palmer) who they adopted in Darlaston, Staffordshire that year. Thomas ran a Pub in Union Street, Wednesbury called 'The Three Tuns' but the Palmers I speak of were from Birmingham areas prior to Wednesbury.
 
No27 said:
No problem, Nick.

Your Palmers were at 43 Johnson Rd for quite some time - the electoral rolls show those of voting age over the years:

NameResidence YearWardStreet Address
Thomas Palmer1912Washwood Heath43 Johnson street
Thomas Palmer1920Erdington43 Johnson Street
Emma Palmer1920Erdington43 Johnson Street
Thomas Palmer1922Erdington43 Johnson Street
Emma Palmer1922Erdington43 Johnson Street
Thomas Palmer1925Erdington43 Johnson Street
Emma Palmer1925Erdington43 Johnson Street
Emily Palmer1935Erdington43 Johnson Street
Thomas William Palmer1935Erdington43 Johnson Street
Albert Harry Palmer1935Erdington43 Johnson Street
Arthur Robert Palmer1935Erdington43 Johnson Street
May Victoria Palmer1935Erdington43 Johnson Street
Albert H Palmer1960Aston43 Johnson Street
May V Palmer1960Aston43 Johnson Street
Albert H Palmer1962Districts 112 to 21443 Johnson Street
May V Palmer1962Districts 112 to 21443 Johnson Street
Palmer May V1965Districts 112 to 21443 Johnson Street
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Dear Proper Brummie Kid, Thank you so, so much for this valuable information. My mother was Emily Palmer who married James William Nicholls (Nechells) in the late thirties who lived close by (?) and I was very close to May Victoria Palmer (aunt) and Albert Harry Palmer (uncle). Both were siblings and never married. I often stayed at 43, Johnson Street as a kid in the 1950s. Uncles Thomas and Arthur would also be popular visiting at number 43. May Victoria was always known as 'Ciss' I am so grateful to you for opening this 'door' for me - do you have any tips you can give me please to enable me to allow me to 'paddle my own canoe' in digging up more information ie websites or other mines of information? I'm now 77 and wish I had embarked upon this journey earlier in life. Warmest Regards, Nick.
 
nick nicholls said:
Dear Proper Brummie Kid, Thank you so, so much for this valuable information. My mother was Emily Palmer who married James William Nicholls (Nechells) in the late thirties who lived close by (?) and I was very close to May Victoria Palmer (aunt) and Albert Harry Palmer (uncle). Both were siblings and never married. I often stayed at 43, Johnson Street as a kid in the 1950s. Uncles Thomas and Arthur would also be popular visiting at number 43. May Victoria was always known as 'Ciss' I am so grateful to you for opening this 'door' for me - do you have any tips you can give me please to enable me to allow me to 'paddle my own canoe' in digging up more information ie websites or other mines of information? I'm now 77 and wish I had embarked upon this journey earlier in life. Warmest Regards, Nick.
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Hi Nick,
My main source for info is on the Ancestry genealogy site - it gives convenient access to censuses and many parish records and electoral rolls to look for friends and family, but it is subscription based. The navigation and searching take a little bit of getting used to, but all sections work in the same way. If it's just relatives you're interested in rather than friends, then it'd also be useful to take a DNA test, wich can link you to other descendents (if they have also been tested on the same site).
All the Best,
Chris
 
Job Handley said:
Regards the Palmers of Soho Hill, you are correct mentioning Wednesbury but that was only from around 1936 when Thomas Wilson Palmer lived in Piercy Street with his wife, Dora Mercy Palmer, son, Wilson Palmer and my maternal grandmother (Freda Palmer) who they adopted in Darlaston, Staffordshire that year. Thomas ran a Pub in Union Street, Wednesbury called 'The Three Tuns' but the Palmers I speak of were from Birmingham areas prior to Wednesbury.
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Hi Job,
I know we have communicated before via your partner.
My husband is descended from the Palmer family too.
His Great Grandad was Samuel Ernest Palmer, son on Mercy Palmer (née Kendrick) and Josiah Palmer.
Mercy and Josiah are on this photo, along with their son’s and daughter’s.
The little buy at the front is Samuel’s son, Percy.
I think these are your Ancestor’s too.
Regards,
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Hi there, I am the wife of Freda Palmer' maternal grandson and have recently found out that his Mother is 5th cousins with a lady by the name of HELEN ROGERS who's father was Wilson Palmer and he was known as "Uncle Wilson" whom my husband remembers meeting as a kid. Please help people as we knew nothing at one point but making progress....even if slowly! Lol
 
Did you mean 5th cousins? Guessing a bit but Freda (mother of Julia?) and Thomas Wilson (father of Helen?) appear to be siblings, children of another Thomas Wilson Palmer (mentioned post #5) and a Dora Mercy Collett.

Though according to post #6 Freda was adopted.
 
Julia is my mother, yes. Freda was adopted on 1936 aged 2 at Darlaston Juvenile Court by Thomas Wilson Palmer and Dora Mercy Collette but my grandma Freda never knew who her mother was bless her and via DNA, Julia is Helens 5th cousin so now im trying to wittel it down lol
 
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Ok, I think I see. Not only are Julia and Helen (adopted) 1st cousins they are actually related 5th cousins.
 
It seems to be a daunting task, she could be a descendant of any of Helen's 4 x g grandparents. A closer match would help obviously, as would comparing your mom's dna to any of Helen's known cousins, second cousins, etc to eliminate lines.

Are there no adoption records? Which would be far simpler.
 
MWS said:
It seems to be a daunting task, she could be a descendant of any of Helen's 4 x g grandparents. A closer match would help obviously, as would comparing your mom's dna to any of Helen's known cousins, second cousins, etc to eliminate lines.

Are there no adoption records? Which would be far simpler.
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my thoughts exactly mark...there should be adoption records available and the first point of call would be to contact social services to get the ball rolling..

lyn
 
If you both enter 'Palmers' into the above search bar then it may help as there is loads of docs and stuff that I can't comprehend lol thank you for your responses though
 
I'm putting a link to your Thomas Wilson Palmer thread, so info doesn't get repeated, which I was about to do.

J

Thread 'Thomas Wilson Palmer'

hi folks, new to this site. Does anyone remember a Thomas Wilson Palmer, Dora Mercy Collette or a Freda Palmer from Soho Road around 1900-1940's onwards? The house they once lived in was a painting & decorating/hardware shop close to what is now Hockley fly-over and I am ure it had a green frontage but I may be wrong as this was at a guesstimate 1990's onwards. It was on the left handside if travelling into Birmingham along Soho Road
 
From what I can see from this and your other thread you have 2 leads -

1. Your nan thought her real mother was Louisa Brassington Smith.

2. DNA suggests that your mom and Helen are 5th cousins.

In regards no. 1, did you ever get the birth certificate for the Freda Smith b1934 in Bham to see if it could have been your nan?

And in regards no. 2, if the the relationship is through your nan's mother and she is Louisa then it would be possible to trace it out. However, if it is through the unknown father then he would be one of Helen's parents' male 4th cousins and there could be lots of them.
 
She always said that name yes but where from I don't know. All I know is that she was adopted in 1936 aged 2 by Thomas Wilson Palmer and Dora Mercy Collette. Prior to the adoption they all lived in or around Birmingham and were publicans of sorts in The Red Lion Pub and Beehive then when moved to Wednesday and ran a pub called Three Tuns and lived in. Piercy Street but that's all we really know.
 
hi job 2 questions...have you thought about buying the freda smith birth certificate ?

also as this was an official adoption have you thought about obtaining the adoption papers as they should give you the answers you seek ? personally i think this would be the only way forward otherwise its just guess work

lyn
 
My mom (Fredas daughter) is looking into it so fingers crossed I have a copy of the adoption cert. It states Thomas Wilson Palmer and Dora Mercy Collette as adoptive parents and that's it but birth cert. May help certainly
 
Its likely that the images files size is too large for this forum. You cab resize the images in the standard Microsoft image viewer.

Click the three dots on the top right and chose resize image.

1000 pixels on the longest edge and 90% quality jpeg should get you to less than 250kb to post here.

Best do a Save As with a new name and don’t overwrite your original image.

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Job Handley said:
still struggling to do it, I'm on a mobile phone as opposed to computer. I've tried cropping it but ‍♂️
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It isn't the physical size so cropping won't work. It is the digital size.
Look for a number by the little envelope top right of the page. Then click to read and reply.
 
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Job Handley said:
My mom (Fredas daughter) is looking into it so fingers crossed I have a copy of the adoption cert. It states Thomas Wilson Palmer and Dora Mercy Collette as adoptive parents and that's it but birth cert. May help certainly
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Adoption cert is NOT the same as the adoption papers referred to by Lyn in post #22.
The cert is simply a reissue of a birth cert naming the adoptive parents
The papers are all the papers connected with the adoption and should be with the local authority who oversaw the adoption.
 
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