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Old street pics..
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Dennis Williams
Gone but not forgotten
No, it was purposeful mike...to the right of the Spire you can just about see the round roof of the Old Wharf in Paradise Street...just behind the Allin's Shop in Ann Street with the flag flying nicely....according to Jenni Dixon on her dissertation on the Samuel Lines painting....which I naturally filched and posted here...https://birminghamhistory.co.uk/for...26&highlight=Samuel Lines#post528726.....does this fit with you?
Dennis Williams
Gone but not forgotten
And what about these gems...I'd only ever seen one pic of Masshouse Lane, and one of Jennen's Row...both posted originally by Phil....until these appeared on Shoothill....lovely stuff.....first one of JFA Ball's premises corner of Jennens Row, then three of Masshouse Lane....plus a map...
Jayell
master brummie
Love that set of photos Dennis. Hope you don't mind if I copy them for myself. I've never seen a photo of St Bartholomews before and it was the church that my gt.grandparents (James Martin and Ellen Bellamy) were married in 1871. Gives me an idea of the location a lot better.
Judy
Judy
Dennis Williams
Gone but not forgotten
My great grandparents were also married there Jayell......and here's another of that iconic Church....
Jayell
master brummie
Thanks again Dennis. What a lovely old church that was. My gt.grandfather was a boarder at 3 Bartholomew Street at the time of his marriage to Ellen Bellamy. He was born to Irish parents and had lived in London Prentice Street previously. Ellen was living with her family at No.1 Court, Coleshill Street when they got married.
Judy
Judy
edcartermo
master brummie
I read an article recently that to try and save it from demolition when the congregation had dwindled, the last vicar tried using the church also as a venue for slide shows.
Dennis Williams
Gone but not forgotten
Interesting old news clip from 1934 about New Street....it reminded me of the famous Samuel Lines painting of that area from 1832, and the pics already shared on other theads ...
KEY to Painting..
A) Is the Theatre, by the time of the painting, the Theatre Royal.
B) Next to the theatre was Portugal House, a grand Georgian town house owned by Joseph Green, at the time of the painting divided into two properties with a distillery attached.
C) Just over the street is the original Georgian cottage Post Office, which had at its rear in….
D) The Post Office yard where the Royal Mail coaches would arrive from 1812.
E) Is the Panorama, where 360 degree actual size paintings were shown.
F & G are in what is now Victoria Square
F) Is Christ Church
G) Is placed just to the left of the flag that topped Allin's shop, nicknamed The Flag as it always flew the Union Jack. The Town Hall was later built near this spot. In the distance, behind the 'G', is the Canal Offices on Paradise Street.
H) Is Bennett's Hill House and the walled garden. All the green land in that area was the original Bennett's Hill, and had been protected from building work by a clause in the 120 year lease for the house and land. The lease had expired in 1818 and not long after Lines's painting the whole are was built up with two new roads, houses, shops and other businesses.
I) Is Ann Street, later Colmore Row.
J) Is Temple Row
K) Is Temple Street
KEY to Painting..
A) Is the Theatre, by the time of the painting, the Theatre Royal.
B) Next to the theatre was Portugal House, a grand Georgian town house owned by Joseph Green, at the time of the painting divided into two properties with a distillery attached.
C) Just over the street is the original Georgian cottage Post Office, which had at its rear in….
D) The Post Office yard where the Royal Mail coaches would arrive from 1812.
E) Is the Panorama, where 360 degree actual size paintings were shown.
F & G are in what is now Victoria Square
F) Is Christ Church
G) Is placed just to the left of the flag that topped Allin's shop, nicknamed The Flag as it always flew the Union Jack. The Town Hall was later built near this spot. In the distance, behind the 'G', is the Canal Offices on Paradise Street.
H) Is Bennett's Hill House and the walled garden. All the green land in that area was the original Bennett's Hill, and had been protected from building work by a clause in the 120 year lease for the house and land. The lease had expired in 1818 and not long after Lines's painting the whole are was built up with two new roads, houses, shops and other businesses.
I) Is Ann Street, later Colmore Row.
J) Is Temple Row
K) Is Temple Street
DavidGrain
master brummie
Definitely St Philip's now the cathedral
Dennis Williams
Gone but not forgotten
Harking back to the Old Square and the original Stork Hotel...here's one from Carl's "Brum and Brummies Vol 3" Book....a cracking shot of that old Stork Hotel building in full, from 1882....
paul stacey
master brummie
What a beautiful, and imposing place it must have been Dennis, then for me most Georgian buildings are, what a strange cart on the left of the photo, I wonder what its use was. Paul
paul stacey
master brummie
I thought maybe that as there was an hotel near, then it would have transported luggage from say the railway station, and the driver sat on top??Paul
Dennis Williams
Gone but not forgotten
Yes gentlemen.. a cracking shot that asked more questions than it answered for me....the biggest being that the pic was dated (according to Carl) 1882...yet the NEW stork in Corporation Street, after the Old Square was virtually demolished for the cut through, was dated I thought in 1883, only a year later....so was that building on the our left (caption says right) an Hotel at the time or being vacated before the hammers fell? This second pic shows a stagecoach, which I mistook for a horse bus and it was purported to be at a rally or something ...not real for the period....and now we have the mystery of the carriage type in the new pic? Answers on a postcard?
Phil
Gone, but not forgotten.
Another image of Old Square from around the same period in time, this one is looking down what was then Lichfield St so it has to be dated pre 1880's. Interestingly it shows a couple of carts, one (on the left) I would say is for carrying goods, the other (on the right) looks more like it purpose was for passengers.
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Dennis Williams
Gone but not forgotten
Brilliant Phil...and whilst we are here, in this lovely old Square, here's more contributions of that area....
Dennis Williams
Gone but not forgotten
And one more that baffled me....from Shoothill...captioned "Temporary structures - Old Square"....
Not sure where on earth the buildings were, assuming the caption is correct. the period , however would seem to be somewhen in WW1. "Sacred concerts" with films, and possibly other performances, were held on a sunday evening at various venues, with receipts to the aid of hospital and war charities. This required a special licence. there are a very large number of mentions in the press. Have not found it possible to find one in Old Square, but the Gaeity, and the Saltley Coliseum are mentioned. These apparently happened all over the country. there were objections on occasion from churchy people, as seen below from the Birm Gazette on 29th Jan. 1916.
Dennis Williams
Gone but not forgotten
THAT's why I was uneasy....there wasn't any time for temporary buildings...they just bulldozed and rebuilt new from scratch....surely?
Dennis Williams
Gone but not forgotten
The Toll House...Villa Road, Handsworth....
Dennis Williams
Gone but not forgotten
Somebody moved the Town Hall? If that is meant to be the Town Hall in Hill Street? Nice one carolina!
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Key Hill Brian
Proud Brummie
Reminds me of the 'German' that appears every year nowadays - testing the waters, maybe ?????