Old Boy
master brummie
8.7.1865
Recruiting for a sex-separator in the workhouse
Hi All,
The heading for this job offer should have been "APPOINTMENT OF SPOIL SPORT"
Old Boy
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Hi All,
The heading for this job offer should have been "APPOINTMENT OF SPOIL SPORT"
Old Boy
brummie nick
master brummie
paul stacey
master brummie
Sounds horrendous, lucky no one killed.Paul
Surprised he managed to travel that distance without shoes. Get the impression this might have been an unplanned escape, he probably just took his chance to escape the lock-up. Pity, he missed out on his breakfast (or maybe the PC ate it while he was waiting to be released!). Viv.
18.7.1865
Never heard of non-exploding gunpowder before. I can see its use, perhaps, for storage in a large depot where it would could not cause an accidental explosion, but no good on a ship or where it might be wanted quickly, and an awful bind having to sieve barrels of the stuff to make it usable before sending it out
Never heard of non-exploding gunpowder before. I can see its use, perhaps, for storage in a large depot where it would could not cause an accidental explosion, but no good on a ship or where it might be wanted quickly, and an awful bind having to sieve barrels of the stuff to make it usable before sending it out
paul stacey
master brummie
There was a lot of experiments carried out towards the end of the 19th C because of accidents with gunpowder during transportation, I believe the military decided against it because of the long time to separate the components,Paul
20.7.1865
A medical report on the conditions at the workhouse which was read out at a meeting on the Guardians to discuss measures to be taken after a cholera outbreak there. Despite outbreak toilets were not flushed at night and apparently non toilet provision was available to 180 women and children.
A medical report on the conditions at the workhouse which was read out at a meeting on the Guardians to discuss measures to be taken after a cholera outbreak there. Despite outbreak toilets were not flushed at night and apparently non toilet provision was available to 180 women and children.
paul stacey
master brummie
Government took murder very seriously in those days, and it gladdens the heart to see that politicans were cheapskates even in those days. Paul
Good Morning MIKE
There is a sketch painting called TOWN,S END BANK , BY J Fullwood in the late nineteeth century
The triangular site was earmarked for a prestigiuos town hall.
But this was Abandoned in favour of her Majesty,s thearter in 1900,
The Compostion of the buildings in this picture makes them individual yet unified, being in the
Same materials and the same vernacular style
the picture or sketch is shown in a book called WALSALL PAST AND PRESENT BY
DAVID F VODDEN , and the picture sketch was a courtesy BY G, WHISTON ,
Also mike there is a picture of the old high street,and the old square and digbeth
the digbeth of walsall in case anybody may think birminham
Its, an early view of the High street 1900 the trees are young and there no evidence of petrol driven
Vechicles, Halfway up the left hand side f the high street stands the guild hall
It openend in the 1860,s
Any Walsallrites members i recomend this book to them
pact with gloss pictures and information priced at Nine pounds and ninety nine pence
Best wishes to you mike and thanks for all your valued information over all these years you have given us
and of course best wishes to all our other valued members of our great forum, Astonian,,,,,Alan,,,,
There is a sketch painting called TOWN,S END BANK , BY J Fullwood in the late nineteeth century
The triangular site was earmarked for a prestigiuos town hall.
But this was Abandoned in favour of her Majesty,s thearter in 1900,
The Compostion of the buildings in this picture makes them individual yet unified, being in the
Same materials and the same vernacular style
the picture or sketch is shown in a book called WALSALL PAST AND PRESENT BY
DAVID F VODDEN , and the picture sketch was a courtesy BY G, WHISTON ,
Also mike there is a picture of the old high street,and the old square and digbeth
the digbeth of walsall in case anybody may think birminham
Its, an early view of the High street 1900 the trees are young and there no evidence of petrol driven
Vechicles, Halfway up the left hand side f the high street stands the guild hall
It openend in the 1860,s
Any Walsallrites members i recomend this book to them
pact with gloss pictures and information priced at Nine pounds and ninety nine pence
Best wishes to you mike and thanks for all your valued information over all these years you have given us
and of course best wishes to all our other valued members of our great forum, Astonian,,,,,Alan,,,,
25.7.1865
The first church in Hamstead. It was on a different site to the present church, being at the junction of Spouthouse lane and Hamstead road, being rebuily in 1891 on the new site.
The mention of a cholera outbreak in Birmingham was press exageration, though the item does not make it clear that the Birmingham Post also made the incorrect assumption (see entry for 20th July)
The idea of a red flag to be carried in front of dangerous steam (and later petrol) vehicles is introduced
The first church in Hamstead. It was on a different site to the present church, being at the junction of Spouthouse lane and Hamstead road, being rebuily in 1891 on the new site.
The mention of a cholera outbreak in Birmingham was press exageration, though the item does not make it clear that the Birmingham Post also made the incorrect assumption (see entry for 20th July)
The idea of a red flag to be carried in front of dangerous steam (and later petrol) vehicles is introduced
Funny how announcement like the temporary Hamstead Church one never need to give an address.
Re the letter about 'cholera'. Maybe the French report had problems in translation. (How to set off panic in its readers!) When I read the original report on 20th it went through my mind that, yes, they did thoroughly clean the place as a result of the diarrhoea outbreak, but I bet they did little to keep up those standards afterwards. We're all aware of the disgusting conditions and treatment of inmates in these places. Viv.
Re the letter about 'cholera'. Maybe the French report had problems in translation. (How to set off panic in its readers!) When I read the original report on 20th it went through my mind that, yes, they did thoroughly clean the place as a result of the diarrhoea outbreak, but I bet they did little to keep up those standards afterwards. We're all aware of the disgusting conditions and treatment of inmates in these places. Viv.
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27.7.1865
Changes that have occurred in Aston Lower Grounds
Consecration of St Davids Church
In England in 1863 on 20 divorced people were married, an other statistics
A Gooseberry show. these must have been popular fruit, Nowadays one hardly ever sees them
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I think by bath they mean bath chair, Cannot think of anything else, though why these should be considered health-giving is a little strange
Changes that have occurred in Aston Lower Grounds
Consecration of St Davids Church
In England in 1863 on 20 divorced people were married, an other statistics
A Gooseberry show. these must have been popular fruit, Nowadays one hardly ever sees them
I think by bath they mean bath chair, Cannot think of anything else, though why these should be considered health-giving is a little strange
DavidGrain
master brummie
According to local history books and websites Harborne was well known for its Gooseberries and apparently the Harborne Gooseberry Show ran until the 1920s
31.7.1865
Unseemly behaviour at funeral of Birmingham man in australia
Quite a works party . Cannot find Nettingale valley, but assume it must be Brunel's suspension bridge over the Avon, which was completed in 1864
Suggestion of glass fronted pubs so that people could keep an eye on the drinkers, and narrow doorways so women in crinolines could not enter !
Unseemly behaviour at funeral of Birmingham man in australia
Quite a works party . Cannot find Nettingale valley, but assume it must be Brunel's suspension bridge over the Avon, which was completed in 1864
Suggestion of glass fronted pubs so that people could keep an eye on the drinkers, and narrow doorways so women in crinolines could not enter !
brummie nick
master brummie
Taken from the 1851 census. I wonder if this is the Joseph Abbott mentioned it fits with him having a son J H Abbott.
Joseph ABBOTT Head M 62 M Glass Mould Maker Master Birmingham----
Mary Ann ABBOTT Wife M 55 F Stay Maker London-London
Joseph Henry ABBOTT Son U 21 M Glass Mould Maker Birmingham----
Catherine ABBOTT Daur - 16 F --- Birmingham----
Sarah ABBOTT Daur - 13 F --- Birmingham----
Sarah MOUSLEY Sis W 69 F Confectioner Claverdon-War
Address: 77 1/2 Smallbrook St, ---
Census Place: Birmingham Birmingham, Warwickshire
PRO Reference: HO/107/2053 Folio: 415 Page: 22 FHL Film: 0087311
Joseph ABBOTT Head M 62 M Glass Mould Maker Master Birmingham----
Mary Ann ABBOTT Wife M 55 F Stay Maker London-London
Joseph Henry ABBOTT Son U 21 M Glass Mould Maker Birmingham----
Catherine ABBOTT Daur - 16 F --- Birmingham----
Sarah ABBOTT Daur - 13 F --- Birmingham----
Sarah MOUSLEY Sis W 69 F Confectioner Claverdon-War
Address: 77 1/2 Smallbrook St, ---
Census Place: Birmingham Birmingham, Warwickshire
PRO Reference: HO/107/2053 Folio: 415 Page: 22 FHL Film: 0087311
Pimpernel
master brummie
This is getting away from Birmingham a little, but I'm very distantly related to Mary Tustin Smith (1784-1866) of Broadway village, who was the originator of the Brazil connection (1st cousin 5 times removed). Mary was the daughter of William Tustin and Elizabeth Smith of Broadway, Worcestershire. As she used both her parents' surnames I wonder if her mother's familiy were the trading merchants. Mary emigrated to Oporto, Portugal during the time of the Peninsular War (1809-1814) - perhaps trading, connected to the supply chain for Wellington's army, and in 1814 married a Portugese lawyer and judge José de Vasconcellos. They had four children in Portugal before he died in 1830, and she re-married William Chambley Studart of Liverpool. After two more children, both born in Lisbon, he in turn died in 1834, and Mary emigrated to Ceara, Brazil to join her eldest son José (1st marriage) who had already moved there in 1831, with the eldest son from her second marriage John, though there's a later record of her living with another of her sons Ignacio in Lisbon. At least one other child settled in the UK. So it appears the trading connection between Brazil, Lisbon and the UK was established at this time. Mary died in 1866 in Forteleza, Ceara. Her eldest son José (or Joseph) Smith de Vasconcellos became very well established in Brazil, marrying Francisca Carolina Mendes Guimarães and becoming Baron de Vasconcellos in 1863 (there's a Wikipedia page in Portugese about him). His half-brother John William Studart, who had emigrated to Brazil with their mother, travelled between Brazil and the UK several times as a merchant and became mayor of the Charity hospital in Forteleza in 1866. Marrying Leonísia de Castro Barbosa, his son Guilherme (William) Chambly Studart - the eldest of nine children, was British Vice-Consul in Ceara and was also made Baron in 1900.
There are many descendants in Brazil so a fair amount of information on the family in Brazil (mostly in Portugese, thank goodness for Google translate!) however I've not traced much information on the trading connections with the UK. What companies were established? What took Mary to Oporto in the first place etc etc.
Hi Pimpernel. I'm almost speechless. I'm a descendent of the Tustin Smiths and Smith de Vasconcellos's. Baron Jose Smith de Vasconcellis and Francisca Carolina Mendes Guimaries are my 3x great grandparents! I have some info about their trading links - well loads about the family - so will send you a Private Message. It's an interesting history. Thanks for posting, you've made my genealogy day/month/year(s)!! Viv.
Pimpernel
master brummie
Oh that's really terrific Vivienne, hello cousin! I'm only a very distant relation, but it's one of those stories that grabs you, when I first made the connection the research pulled me in 
Yes, let's talk. I'm not sure what connections there might be to Birmingham, though other Tustins moved there over the years. Mary Tustin-Smith's grandfather Thomas Tustin (1727-1772) is my 5th Great Grandfather.
Yes, let's talk. I'm not sure what connections there might be to Birmingham, though other Tustins moved there over the years. Mary Tustin-Smith's grandfather Thomas Tustin (1727-1772) is my 5th Great Grandfather.