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Gosta Green Through Duddeston

Holbrook's sauce

strange why the called it
Holbrook's Worcestershire sauce
when as far as i,m aware it,s
warwickshire.
probably had,nt the same ring to it.
i can,t remermber the factory,
all i can remember is the flicks and the doc,s toppins
and was it the dentist or was it a doctor o,keffs?
by the way ger22van keep em coming the photo was as you
say like a photo, don,t knock it.
the locko photo was before my time,not by much
it looked like somthing out of tenko.
wish i was like that now:redface:
happy days regards to all dereklcg
 
pmc1947. A wonderful photograph and I do remember it to a degree. As far as I remember it was all the perimeter of Holbrook's Factory. I cannot remember the buildings too much as I am sure they were just walls, certainly the houses ( my Grandmother lived in one much earlier , although I did not know until I started my researching.) had been demolished and just the front walls with bricked up windows and doorways along there.
 
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That picture of Holbrook's after the air raid certainly brings back memories. That empty shell remained for many years - possibly until the trams went in October 1950. I would have thought the only people living upstairs in the block on the corner would have been trusted staff.
Peter
 
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Peter Walker said:
... I would have thought the only people living upstairs in the block on the corner would have been trusted staff.
Peter
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The people living on the premises, would have been the caretaker and family. A lot of commercial premises had resident caretakers in those days.

The factory was bombed in a German air raid on the eve of 19/20 November 1940 it was hit by a firebomb and the fire soon took hold gutting parts of the factory. one worker on firewatch duty a Joseph Brookes was killed. The factory remained empty until the early 1950's when it was demolished.

pmc1947
 
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The factory was bombed in a German air raid on the eve of 19/20...
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pmc1947. Have you any news clip of the article ? If not I shall have a look in the Newspapers at the " Local Studies " of the Library next time I go there.
Thank you for mentioning the date when it happened.
 
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Ernie,

Sorry mate, no newspaper clipping, I'm not a 100% sure but I think I got the info from one of Carl Chinns books. I made a note of the date at the time. I am unable to recall the name of the book and can tell you nothing other than it was about five years ago.

I no longer have the book, because I let someone borrow it, and as is often the case in these things it was never returned. One of the reasons I now refrain from lending bools out.

Phil
 
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pmc1947. Browsing through old posting I came across a map you posted https://www.londonancestor.com/maps/bc-birm-e.htm
, to my surprise looking at it now I see that Coleman Street appears to have run right through into Dartmouth Street. I had come across it on an earlier map around 1841 ? as originally running where Lupin Street later ran.
Therefore to me Coleman Street seems to have altered unbelievably over a few decades.
 
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Ernie,
Can someone be so kind as to add a Kelly's list to these shops along Adderley Road. I imagine these were just around the corner from Ash Road
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I copied this from Kelly’s 1946, I don’t think it tells you want you want to know. I don’t think these are the shops in the photo. I have an idea they further down towards the High St and on the other side of the road.

East Side

St Saviours Rd
120 Roso Thos tailor
122 Day Wm greengrocer
124 Dodd Albt shopkeeper
126a Walters miss Kay newsagent
150 Adderley Garages
150 Flook Cyril firewood dealer
152 Cullen Mrs Margt grocer
166 Bingham Mrs Gertrude draper
Ash Road
168 Adderley Park Inn Jsph Wolfenden
180 Pearce Jas woodworks
180a McKee R hairdresser
182 Olive Branch PH Mrs Elsie Swift.
 
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Adderley Road Shops.

pmc1947. Phil thanks a lot for your post, like you say it could be nearer Saltley High Street. I don't know the date of the photograph but it seems as though there is a greengrocers with a name something like Parry, also a grocers shop and further along an Hairdressers by the name of Clifts if I am not mistaken. I shall make a note of it and check it out at the Central Library next time I go,then post what I find on this thread. I would probably start my search around the early 1940's ( that appears to be when a lot of the street photographs were taken.) I think you may have proved that it is not where I was hoping it would be. Now I just have to hope that someone may post a photograph of this area near Ash Road.
 
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Ernie

I've managed to download thw whole of Adderley rd from Kelly's 1913 & 1946 if you can make them out. You might be better downloading it and enlarging them a little then print them out. Dont forget to click on them to enlarge them a little.

Phil
 
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pmc1947. Phil Thank You Very Much for posting.
The first Kelly's list must be 1946 and it lists 11 Adderley Road as
Perry Alfred Fredk Greengocer, then comes 17 Feeney Jas h & Co Printers, Then 19 Langstone Mrs Francos Coffee Rooms and 21 Suratard Roland, Hairdresser. All this seems to fit the Photograph almost and as you say near to Saltley Gate and not Ash Road as I first thought.
Phil, you have saved me some time having to check it out Thank You Once Again.
 
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I think this close enough to Gosta Green to be included here. Does anybody remember this place, It was at the end of Dale End at the junction of Stafford St and Coleshill St just up from the Gaiety Cinema. I never ever got to go inside but I remember passing the place many times on the bus, and even more often when walking into town. The day they did that sign writing I was passing I was on the way to buy a woggle from the Scout shop in Dale End. but I stood and watched for about half an hour, I was fascinated even though I hadn’t got a clue what curry was, and can you see those prices 2/9d and 3/- for a 3 course meal. I have to say though I wasn’t very enamoured with the colour scheme if I remember correctly it was a vivid lime green.

I think that by the time I was old enough (or could afford) to use it, by then it was long gone.

pmc1947

Gosta Green Coleshill St Shah Jahan 1954.jpg

 
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pmc1947. Hello Phil, that restaurant may have been there and I know exactly where you are talking about but my A - Z 's are all changed from the old road layouts. That side street did it go along to come out where the Central Fire Station is ? I seem to remember what I think was the " Old Stone Cross " pub near there and hearing the Traditional Jazz Band that played there, a walk up the hill to Corporation Street passed the Recruiting Centre.
 
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:) great picture what year was it? i remember the gaiety cinema.
our dad had a bit of a win on the pools and took us to see the greatest show on earth,fantastic and gave us half a crown each ,all four of us we spent it at either roadleys or bennets in grt lister street,and we had a fish and chip special from the chippie that if my memory serves me well on the corner of bloomsbury street, i also used to go to the scout shop in dale end,dib dib dib- dub dub dub. happy days regards dereklcg.
 
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dereklcg. My thoughts the other day were about a Fish and Chip shop that I seem to remember may have been just off Great Lister Street in Scholfield Street. I shall now have to see on a Kelly's list if there was indeed one in Scholfield Street.
 
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Ernie
If you walked to town along Ashted Row. Prospect Row, just before reaching Dale End you would be on Coleshill St, you would pass the Gaiety Cinema on the right. You would then pass Old Cross St with the Rising Sun pub on the corner opposite Gaskell and Chambers with it perpetual motion nodding stork in the window, You woukd arrive at the Shah Jahn restaurant.

Phil
 
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pmc1947.phil.was there a passage next to pond tools?if i remmember we walked up a passage to the pics house. pete
 
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dereklcg said:
:) great picture what year was it? i remember the gaiety cinema.
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Hi Derek

I think the photo dates from around 1957-58 that would tally with my being in the scouts. I often toddled along to the shop on Dale End on a Saturday morning for a new badge or something.

Phil
 
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dereklcg.were was the scout shop?i do remember going to marsh and bakster butchers and crying when i saw the poor piggies heads:cry:

pete
 
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Pete

I'm sorry I can't remember a passage, To be honest I don't remember where Ponds were located. I can recall one of their shops in Steelhouse Lane. Where was it located near the Gaiety.

Phil
 
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pmc1947.phil.it is a long time ago,i can just about remember us getting of the bus by pond tools and going along a passage and coming out in coleshill st.turning left to the pics. that is all i remember sorry mate pete
 
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:) hi Pete the scout shop was in dale end,
is,nt it strange how looking at these old street, names that you had forgotten, until you look at the old maps from way back when?
happy days.regards Derek.
 
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Pete,

I've been doing a little detective work, and there was a White Lion Passage that run from Aston St, Gosta Green to Old Cross St and then that led on to Coleshill St just up from the Gaiety Cinema.

You can make out Old Cross St it is just past the middle of the photo and you can just see the Gaiety on the far right.
So White Lion Passage could have been the passage you mentioned

Phil

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GER22VAN said:
...Fish and Chip shop that I seem to remember may have been just off Great Lister Street in Scholfield Street...
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:)you could be right as i remember the old boy that owned it was a dead ringer for fryer tuck,or Philip harbon.
great chips 9d -fresh roe and batter pieces cholesterol or what.
happy days dereklcg.
posting a pic it,s one of my favourites.
 

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Well done Phil.
Derek. Where was the "Swan With Two Necks" I will wait for an answer .
 
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PMC1947.ta phil.for doing your homework,is the pic taken from coleshill st?if so then it all falls in place.
pete
 
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Ernie
The Swan with two Necks is the pub on the right hand corner of Derek's photo.

Phil.
 
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Phil. Now you have got me going, I dont know if the " Swan With Two Necks " was where the Central Fire Station now stands or was it Gosta Green pub now the " Sack Of Potatoes."
 
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Was the sack of spuds by the old tv station? later a spring shop. pete
 
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