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Eyles John 1830-1891 - who is in this photo?

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HeatherE

proper brummie kid
I have a photo taken in around 1905 of the wife (Emma Horton 1837-1906) and some of the children (or possibly in-laws) of John Eyles (my 2G grandfather). I know they lived in Birmingham at the time and I know all the children's names but I would love to know who is actually in the photo. There are two grandchildren also.
One son, John Frederick (1859-1919) travelled to Australia and is my G Gfather.
The children are
William Henry 1857
John Frederick 1859
Clara Elizabeth 1861 - the 2nd photo is of Clara and is dated 1911
Thomas Albert 1864
Emma Jane 1866
Arthur Edwin 1868
Charles Walter 1871
Ellen Marion 1873
Ernest Horton 1875

Hoping someone out there is connected to this family and maybe has other photos that will identify them. Sorry about the poor quality.

English Eyles family.jpg
Clara Elizabeth Eyles.jpg
 
It is such a shame when you can't put names to old photos.

Is Clara the lady on the top right of the first photo?
 
Thanks for your reply. My first thought was that was her too. I'm not really sure about the date the photo was taken but if that is Clara then I don't think the photos were taken too many years apart. Also, I'm either missing a sister or one of the younger females is a wife of a brother. Spent quite some time trying to decided which one didn't look like an Eyles.
 
If Clara was top right then looking at ages I'd say that Emma was also top row and Ellen sitting to the left of her mother but that would just be guessing.

Also Emma appears to be Emma Ann rather than Emma Jane.
 
hi heather i also have photos with no names....do you know if this one was taken in birmingham...reason for asking is if we can pin it down to a street or road we may have old photos of the actual street or road on the forum...

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Hi Astoness, I have no proof of where it was taken except I know they were living in Birmingham at the time. I guess the 1901 census would help narrow down where they lived. I don't have any genealogy memberships at the moment so will have to wait till I can get to a library.
 
MWS said:
If Clara was top right then looking at ages I'd say that Emma was also top row and Ellen sitting to the left of her mother but that would just be guessing.

Also Emma appears to be Emma Ann rather than Emma Jane.
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Thanks, I've updated her name.
If that theory is correct, then the odd one out is the female seated on the right - the wife of the eldest son, maybe? William's wife (Elizabeth Morley) would have been about 50 is the date is correct.
 
Clara and Ellen are listed at no.48 in 1911, so that was possibly the family home. And Ernest is at no. 46 Hurst St.
 
An aerial view from 1935 showing No. 48 opposite The Birmingham Hippodrome. I'm not sure if the houses on Hurst Street were renumbered perhaps another BHF member can confirm this.
Unfortunately not a view of the rear which may have confirmed the location that the photo was taken.
 

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Returning to the photo, without an exact date it's not easy to work out the grandchildren (obviously).

However, assuming the photo was taken around 1905, then the daughters of William and Thomas would have been too old to be the little girl on the left. And while Arthur would have had daughters that could match, why are his other children not in the photo?

So in 1905 Charles had one daughter, Emma b1901 and Ernest had one son, John Henry b1905, which could match.
 
brummy-lad said:
An aerial view from 1935 showing No. 48 opposite The Birmingham Hippodrome. I'm not sure if the houses on Hurst Street were renumbered perhaps another BHF member can confirm this.
Unfortunately not a view of the rear which may have confirmed the location that the photo was taken.
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No renumbering
 
There are a couple of threads for Hurst St but only a few photos. I don't know why but I thought there would be more...

hurst stret

apart from going to see the remaining back to backs in hurst st this is the only pic i have seen of the street.. sorry i have no date it just says a family in hurst st astoness
birminghamhistory.co.uk

hurst st

last shops in hurst st..1991 hurst st garage..
birminghamhistory.co.uk
 
HeatherE said:
I just said to my son that it looked like there were shops on the ground floor of 48 and 46 - I guess they ran their businesses from home. My records say that the father, John, was a tailor - not sure where the confectioner comes from - a sweet tooth :)
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Not sure if you are aware but this picture on the Hurst St thread shows the shops at 46 & 48.
 

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Thank you so much everyone who has helped in my little hunt. I really enjoy learning about my family's lives. All this has just made me want to know more. I can see mundane tasks like cooking and cleaning getting pushed to the side for a while.
My grandfather wrote about visiting various aunts and uncles when he was in England during WWI - recovering from injuries. I'll have to reread the letters to see who he saw and where.
 
HeatherE said:
Clara, from 48, was 100 when she died in 1961. I wonder how long she ran the shop for.
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These are Kelly's listings up to 1940 (I do not have access to 1934 & 1935). I'm fairly certain that No. 71 and No. 48 were the same property.

1868 to 1897 John Eyles (tailor) No. 71 (consecutive house numbers)

1900 John Eyles (tailors' trimmings) No. 48 (numbers changed to odd & even)

1908 to 1933 Ernest H Eyles (confectioner) No. 46 & Miss Clara Eyles No. 48 (tailors' trimmings)

1936 to 1939 Ernest H Eyles (confectioner) No. 46 & Miss Mildred Hale No. 48 (tailors' trimmings)

1940 Miss Mildred Hale No. 48 (tailors' trimmings)
 
brummy-lad said:
These are Kelly's listings up to 1940 (I do not have access to 1934 & 1935). I'm fairly certain that No. 71 and No. 48 were the same property.

1868 to 1897 John Eyles (tailor) No. 71 (consecutive house numbers)

1900 John Eyles (tailors' trimmings) No. 48 (numbers changed to odd & even)

1908 to 1933 Ernest H Eyles (confectioner) No. 46 & Miss Clara Eyles No. 48 (tailors' trimmings)

1936 to 1939 Ernest H Eyles (confectioner) No. 46 & Miss Mildred Hale No. 48 (tailors' trimmings)

1940 Miss Mildred Hale No. 48 (tailors' trimmings)
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So Clara ran her own business until she was around 72 years old. Good on her!
 
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This should probably be a new thread but I don't know where to put it.
I have spend some time today reading through my grandfather's letters from WWI. When he was wounded he was sent to 2nd Birmingham war hospital. He wrote about seeing his aunts and uncles - it would have been the first time they met.
He also wrote in great detail about Christmas day in the hospital 1917. I've copied it below if anyone is interested.

Dear Mother,
No more of your letters have arrived since I last wrote but I have our Xmas doings to tell you of so will manage to scrape together a few lines. I am getting some photos of the ward so there is no need to describe the decorations.
To start with the festivities - they commenced at 4:30am with coffee & cakes - someone showed judgement in waking us at this time as it took them all their time & 3 visits from the Night super to get us quieted by 11pm as it was. After the usual routine of washing, dressings, etc. & examining presents - I got a gollywog from our former day sister & a tin sword from 2 of the nurses, these now decorate my bed-board (holding diet sheet etc.) & then the rest of the morning was taken in preparing the tables for the dinner; some dinner too - turkey & sausage, cabbage & pots. & plenty of it, with plum pudding to follow - I got a 3d in the duff; with lager to drink. In the afternoon we had a whist drive, I came nowhere in this unfortunately, the prizes were given by the Ward surgeon & distributed after tea by the Matron. Tea was another fine spread, plenty of cakes, jellies, fruit etc., in the afternoon we had a bran-pie, my dip resulted in a very nice circular mirror, after tea those who were able played musical chairs etc., I was out of this of course as I have one leg out of action still. Then we had some music & singing - the staff concert party came round & sung us some carols; I forgot to mention that the pudding was escorted by a band of pipers & followed by a procession, cooks, staff dressed up as niggers, costers etc.. After 8pm some of the patients and nurses had a dance till about 10:30 & of course there was plenty of fooling & larking about going on so that altogether we had a splendid day. At about 8 we had a small issue of whisky to toast the King & then joined hands and sang “Auld lang syne” - about 85 altogether so we made some noise. Since Xmas night the ward has been awake till 10:30 or after every night talking so we are getting into bad habits. ...
 
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brummy-lad said:
Do you think Miss Mildred Hale was a relative who took over the shop?
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Interesting theory. I have no knowledge of any Hales but I wonder if she could have been connected to one of Clara's nieces or nephews as quite a few of them stayed in the area. And I do have one of the nephews marrying someone with the surname Cale (typo? misread?). I don't have much info on the extended family.
 
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