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Canals of Birmingham

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I too believe they must have been as good as anyone else and probably better than some. Even so, and I can't understand why, but from what I've read, in the Black Country, their status was regarded as only marginally better than nail makers who were the lowest of the low.
 
Rupert & Oisin I will reply in full a bit later to the above, but talking of air vents.........just look at the one in this road which is directly over Gosty Hill Tunnel on the Dudley canal coming from the Black Country Museum
The vent was there first and the houses were built later,fancy having that in the front garden.
 
Location of the Old Wharf today. A marker is placed for Cadbury's. The Tower opposite Paradise Street seems to have adopted some of the history of the place by seemingly adopting the concave shape of the Old Wharfe offices at the end of Paradise street. I wonder if that was an intentional theme. The canal ends at Bridge Street lower left.
 
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It’s a strange fact that spending nearly all their lives on the water the boatmen did not pick up any seafaring or costal terms and if you look at old photographs of the working narrow boats and butties they were plain and simple and undecorated. Boats on short journeys had no cabins, before the beginning of the railways families stayed at home as the life was rough and hard, once a coal boat reached a wharf it took two men and a wheelbarrow all day to empty it of the coal that was on board.
Once the railways started to take over competition was strong and to save paying three people to run a boat.... as they were paid by results the boatman moved his family on board ....after building a cabin as wide as the boat which was 6 feet 8 inches wide and 10 feet long, they quickly learnt to help their father how to run the boat and guide the horse.
But have you thought of where they were buried when they died?
As they travelled the canals and stopped to buy supplies they adopted towns or villages and were always glad when they got “home” and no matter where they were if one died he or she was buried at “home”
George Smith a social reformer in the mid 1900’s campaigned for stricter laws to be bought in for the boat people restricting the amount of people that a narrow boat could carry and live in the cabin......... so to get round this the boatmen built a very small cabin in the bow of the boat and this was were the children slept……and always hid when the inspectors came to check.
Hardly any of the boatmen could read or write but strict laws soon changed all this and the children were encouraged to go to local schools whenever the boat was stationary and when the canal were frozen over in the winter the canal companies even ran floating schools as well as floating and canal side missions, as the boatmen had a reputation for hard drinking and fighting and needed
“reforming” Fighting each other in a bid to get first in a lock when coming from opposite directions, then often meeting up in a canal side pub when moored for the night and the old accordion came out and the fun began… then sleep it of and the race is on again in the morning.
The water cans that the boatmen used for fresh water in most of the old picture's were chained down to stop them falling overboard as they were travelling along or hit by the branch of a tree, and I have noticed no two water cans had the same decoration was this so they could be identified if stolen? Young children were often tied down on top of the cabin as well, as drownings on the canal were quite common.
The women on the boats had a very hard life running the boat, steering or operating the locks, shopping when she could, cooking the meals from the stove that was constantly kept on the go because in the winter this was the only source of heat, and as soon as the boat stopped the washing had to be done and dried, using an old tub to do the washing.... they carried on the boat for this purpose.
Slowly after WW2 they started to leave the canals to get better jobs and the women left the water when they married land folk and by the 1950-60’s the canal people started to disappear ..……..Absorbed into a Life onto the land without relying on water for an income
 
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Down along the fading towpaths,
Leading through the city grime,
A band of warriors fed an Empire,
Then vanished in the mists of time.
 
Rupert, Love ya poem........that about sums it up, and I was on the tail end and saw it disappear
 
Birmingham had to be shown the way on what could be done to the old wharves and canals instead of filling them in and building over them…. “Hey presto” people like the canals and the Gas Street Basin was redeveloped, tourists came into the picture the leisure industry sat up and developers took notice……..living by the “Cut” had become desirable which has saved it in its final years of decline and investment is slowly coming back
Canal side pub trade is booming but it you could only step back in time you would see the old pub was the heart of the boatman’s world when he was not working this is where he made a brief contact with “life on the land”
Here they could catch up with all the latest gossip and information ………and as nearly all of them could not read or write the publican was the "gaffer" who gave them all the information they needed and pass letter’s to them after he had read it to them.
Local farmers and tradesmen knew they only had to go into a pub to get something moved by canal as they knew what boats were travelling back empty from a grain or coal run ……..which gave the boatman a bit of extra cash if he worked for a company
In the pub everyone spoke the language of the “cut” and you was not classed as illiterate if you could not read or write……..travelling the canals was another world and the canal people had a deep sense of mistrust of all things on the land and had total lack of knowledge about anything away from the canal. The pub landlord also acted as the local employment exchange and knew if someone was short handed or wanted an extra bit of help and would pass the information on ……..Also if a christening, wedding or funeral was due to take place, as he knew this all bought trade to his pub. Blacksmiths and Cobblers were never far from the canal and earned a decent living mending buckets, shoeing horses repairing boats and boots.
Even the dogs had to earn their living by poaching, as boatmen knew how to live off the land
Going back to the roses and castles designs that decorated their boats, very few examples have survived as soon as they were weathered where frequently painted over but the earliest known example was in 1858 which Charles Dickens wrote about.

In Oct. 1940 three bombs partially destroyed the premises of T.J.Graham at Worcester Wharf besides Gas Street Basin and the canal was closed for 12 weeks at Cadburys when Bournville Lane Aqueduct got hit and drained the canal …..pics will be posted on the Blitz Thread

From 1940 Kellys Directory
Bridge Street (296 Broad Street to Worcester Wharf)
Air Raid Precautions (Wardens' Post)
Pearce & Cutler Glass
Birmingham Central Tech College extension
Incorporated Seamens' & Boatmens' Friendly Society
Boatmens' Mission Hall

---- here is Holliday Street
------South Side
Wm. Hy. Westwood Iron & Steel Planer
Marshall & Sons & Co. Metal Casement Makers
T J Graham & Sons Ltd Whiting Mfrs
The Cement Marketing Co
Severn & Canal Carrying Co Ltd
National Ass. of Canal Carriers
Williams & Farmer Timber Merchants
 
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It was not till I started to do this thread I realise how much of Birmingham’s History has been lost and not been documented ……
There was a Boatman’s Hall and a Chapel for the boatmen that came up from Worcester built for the benefit of the boatmen by Miss Louisa Ann Ryland (round about 1880’s) who wanted her donation to remain anonymous…that was the type of person she was...
She had the Hall and Chapel built at Worcester Wharf …does a photo remain?
Worcester Wharf was just South East of Gas Street Basin and could be reached by going to Commercial St and going up Holliday Passage
Pic 1 Worcester Wharf 1886
Pic 2 Gas Street Basin (middle of pic) 1940
 
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The Canals

My g.g.g. grandfather William Birch was the landlord/owner? of the Navigation Inn on Stoney Stanton Road in front of the Coventry canal from about 1811 according to the birth records of some of his children he was also a coal dealer at the same address, as there was a wharf adjoining the pub. My g.g. grandfather Richard married Elizabeth daughter of David Ball who was boatman at Chilvers Coton just a couple of miles away. I imagine my g.g. grandparents met at the Navigation. I investigated but it was demolished following a fire in the 1980s, I managed to get two photos but these were after it was extended and modernised in 1939, if any one has an early photo of the Navigation, Foleshill, Coventry in its early days I would love a copy.
 
Sylvia, You must have read my mind as I am doing a bit about the Navigation Pub Birmingham next on the Parade and Navigation St ( But not Coventry Yet)from the 1880's
 
Back to Brums History of the "Cut"
Have you ever thought why a Workman who used a shovel was called a “navvy” and a Canal was called the “Cut” …….Old Brummie Terms ……Well read on
On January 26th, 1767, an advertisement appeared in Aris’s Birmingham Gazette calling a meeting to consider a scheme for cutting a canal from Birmingham through the South Staffordshire coalfield. The meeting was held on the 28th Jan. at the Swan Inn, at which a great number of the inhabitants of the town assembled, when it was unanimously agreed to have the line of the proposed canal surveyed, and Brindley, the celebrated engineer, was appointed for that purpose. On June 8th the Gazette contained a report which Mr. Brindley had presented to a meeting at the Swan which he produced a plan and estimate for making a navigable canal from the town to the Staffordshire and Worcestershire Canal, through the principal coal works by two different tracts, and gave it as his opinion that the best was from near New Hall, over Birmingham Heath, to or near Smethwick, Oldbury, Tipton Green, Bilston, and then to the Staffordshire and Worcestershire Canal, with branches to the different coal works between the respective places. The undertaking was considered of great importance, and a meeting was called for to open a subscription to defray the preliminary expenses. It was supposed that the entire work would not cost more than £30,000. From an Advertisement, however, in the Gazette of July 10th, 1767, we learn that the canal was proposed to be extended to Autherley, there to join the Trent and the Severn, at a cost of £50,000, of which £35,000 was already subscribed, to use the phraseology of the day, or as we should now express it, "shares were taken " to that amount. The Wolverhampton people were, if possible, more enthusiastic than Birmingham was, and on receiving the news "that His Majesty had been at the House of Peers and signed the Bill for making the Navigable Canal from Birmingham to Wolverhampton,
A lot of people were opposed to the idea and tried to sabotage the work so it lead to
Advertisements to be put in local papers and on billposters offering rewards of £10 for the conviction of any persons discovered in injuring (stopping) the works, or stealing the tools of the workmen. The canal was from the first called the "Birmingham Canal Navigation," and from this we get the name of the Navigation Inn on the Parade, and Navigation Street from the Worcester Canal in close proximity. The excavators who were engaged on these " navigations " were at first called "navigators," and hence is derived the more modern term "navvy," which is now applied to even railway excavators and labourers. In the papers of that day the canal is often referred to as "a Navigable Cut,” and will remember that when, and after the new canal without locks was made, it was popularly called " The New Cut" The termination of the first canal was where the Canal Office once stood, then called Paradise Row, and the proprietors took a perpetual lease of six acres of land of Sir Thomas Sherlock Gooch at £47 per annum, which they converted into a wharf with several arms of the canal, to be let to coal dealers. It is now known as " the Old Wharf," and at the front, now facing the end of Paradise Street, they erected the Canal Office, which is described in the notices of the time, as " very handsome." John Wesley, it is said, once preached from the elevated steps at the front of this building,
To be Continued……..
 
THIS MARVELLOUS - SCINTILATING CORRESPONDENCE IS A WONDER [NATURAL]. (I ALSO SUSPECT THERE WAS SOMETHING STRONGER THAN RAW SUGAR IN THE COFFEE)
THE PICTURES ARE, WELL, SPLENDID.
I HAVE A FEW POINTS [NOT PINTS] TO RAISE, WHICH WILL BE MY SECOND ATTEMPT.
AFTER AN HOUR OF TAPPING MERRILY, STUDIOUSLY, AWAY EVERYTHING VANISHED INTO CYBERSPACE.
THE SAME HAPPENED TODAY.
IT IS AN AUTOMATIC GUILLOTINE [as in canal lock]. IT IS SHOCKINGLY FRUSTRATING AND ANNOYING (RATIONAL INDIGNATION).
THIS IS A SCHOLARLY BUSINESS, FORESOOTH. (INCIDENTALLY THE GUILLOTINE WAS IN USE IN ENGLAND IN THE 1500s. BEFORE THE FRENCH.)
SO I'M GETTING EDGY ABOUT BEING NERVOUS WITH THE DISCONNECT BUSINESS. THERE'S NO RATIONAL BASIS.
HOWEVER, I WILL BOLDLY RISE TO THE OCCASION THE MORROW AFTER NATURAL SLUMBER WHICH I TRUST WILL PROVE REFRESHING.
OF COURSE I CAN ALWAYS TAKE THREE SLOW DEEP BREATHS AND IF I DON'T FEEL BETTER JUMP IN THE CANAL.
 
Cromwell mentioned the Boatmen's mission. In the 1940s and early 50s, our tram nutters used to meet at the Boatmen's Mission Hall in Bridge St. It was rather primitive, but it was cheap I suppose. I can only remember the room at street level, which I would think would have been the social and informal meeting hall, and was at street level, on the right just past the entrance. I have no idea if there was a sort of chapel for services, but I can't really say. We never ate or drank anything in in there, and I certainly never used the gents, so I can't say anything about the facililities. I do remember that the minister or somebody would sometimes be there, and always seemed friendly and accommodating.
There was always a musty smell there too. No smoking of course, and I don't think there was too much dirt - just the damp. What didn't help, we had one of those epidiascopes which was used to illustrate speaker's talks. It was another cheap and elderly contraption which overheated in no time, despite the blower which was meant to cool the powerful filament lamp. With the combined effect of the noise of the fan which deafened most speakers, and the smell of scorching from the picture or books which were under the lens, it was quite a memorable experience.
I never met a real boatmen there, but I think most of the pastoral work was done on the boats rather than in the hall.
I'm not at all sure how much the mission taught the boat kids about the 3 R's. I expect they did in earlier years, but by the 1950s it might not have been necessary.
Peter
 
My gt gt grandfather (John Charlesworth) was a boatman, born in 1790 in Castle Donington. In 1841 his address was shown as Towing Path, Ladywood. He went on to run the Tindal Arms which, I suppose, must have been on or near Tindal Bridge over the canal, near the Sea Life Centre. How I wish someone (other than HG Wells!) would invent time travel!!!
Still..when I found out about gt gt grandad, I realised why I'd always had a passion for canals and Birmingham's Industrial Heritage (and pubs of course!)
 
Photo 1 is all thats left of Grenville Wharf
(Worcester Wharf is in between Grenville Wharf and Gas St Basin) I wil put a map up later
Photo 2 Coming from Worcs.Wharf heading towards Gas St Basin
Photo 3 ,4 5, Gas St all pics taken on 6th March 2007
 
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Old Wharf as it was in 1864 note you could not get into Gas Street Basin unless you paid and went through the toll at Worcester Bar
 
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Rupert the Stables were built next to the Mission and as regarding locks you were pretty high regarding sea level but needed the locks to go down and out of the City as canals flow one way.
I have dated Aston photo as I found it today 1900's (I took a snap so can zoom in and crop it ) I did the whole canal route around Brum today Great trip (only snag pubs hold ya up) I went into the Toll house on the Farmer Bridge Junction as Its now an information centre.....I came across some really interesting things which are quite amazing which I shall be posting
I spent a bit of time chatting to an old boatman who told me Saturday Bridge (on the Farmers Flight in between Charlotte St. and Fleet St...North of the Old Wharf )was so called because it was at that point the Boatmen got their wages only on a Saturday and a plaque was put their to commemorate the occasion......all the old buildings are gone but I saw a dramatic attempt to rescue one but it was in a sorry state and I cannot see it being rescued ......I took a few pics and will post the later
 
I know a “bunch of Fives” is a punch but I have often wondered were the expression “I’ll give you a fourpenny one” came from Meaning “a slap”, but this might be the answer:-
George Smith devoted most of his life to improving conditions of the working class including the Canal Boat people …about 1880 he wrote,
Not far from Bull's Bridge I came upon a public house called the Black Boat, a canal boatman's public house. Here I saw a lot of boatmen, boatwomen, and children who might not have been washed in their lives. One of the men showed me into what I thought to be the stable under the upper room. In going in I was met by a course bloated, vulgar, dirty-looking boatwoman, whose face seemed to be almost the colour of a piece of raw beef week old ... Finding my way into a kind of horse-box looking place, I began to take stock of the surrounding The fireplace consisted of a few iron bars and bricks . a boatman engaged upon a 'flour boat' would leave a white mark upon the 'settle' where he had been sitting to enjoy his 'fourpenny'; a boatman engaged in the coal trade would leave his black mark; and in like manner those engaged in the London sewage and Birmingham gas-tar business. Some of this 'fourpenny' I once tasted, and me it was something like a decoction of saltpetre, vinegar treacle, and mint. There were several poor boat children in the place who seemed to enjoy the 'fourpenny' quite well as either the men or women.
So why was this beer called “Fourpenny” could this be the answer it was the canal that got coal down to Fourpence (Fourpenny) a Hundredweight in 1770
I know that a the price of a pint of beer in 1900-1914 cost between 2 penny to 3 penny
The Seamen and Boatmen’s Friend Society was set up in 1846 to bring the Gospel, schooling and provide shelter for the canal horses because of the ways of the canal people ……….Lot more to follow about this
 
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Rupert the demolition of Christ Church was started in January 1899
See photo We can all guess but even the council might have got it wrong
So lets just say the turn of the century
 
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Just caught up with the discussion on the Mission Hall, stables etc - my, this subject has got people going!
I see from the 1902 map (see extract below) that the Mission Hall was on the corner of of Bridge St and Holliday St, in other words, at the wrong end of Rupert's pin - on the diagonally opposite side.
The long buildings next to it in Holliday Street were railway stables (remember nearly all road deliveries were by horse in those days, and the Midland Railway's Central Goods Depot opposite was an important place). The parallel lines in the courtyards behind suggest to me that the stables were on more than one floor, and that the horses were led in and out by the ramp. [In Berlin part of the Technical Museum was a multi storey stable next to the goods depot, and they had a spiral ramp, by which the public get between the different sections of the museum].
I think Rupert's pin was pointing at some canal warehouses, but there was a Corporation yard on the south side of Holliday Street.
By the way, notice that the railway runs beneath all this. It must have been a massive job digging so deep in the 1880s, with all that water overhead, and a lot of business going on, too.
Peter
 
Great, I modified the overhead. I thought it might be of value to try to relate the old pictures from the many posts to the modern topography. Helps me to visualize the old days anyway. The location of the Mission and the stables was handy to both wharfs. I notice that there is another stables further north at the corner of St Vincents and Sheepcote, at another Corpration Wharf. It is still there converted into a Pub now. This one is a circular compound structure. Curiosly on the other corner, back then, was a railway engine shed. Horses of a different kind. Many more rails in 1890. I think, if enough of the past is saved, when it all comes together it will be OK. When you make something you see all of the slip-ups that you made but others seeing it think how wonderfull it is.
 
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To get the water to keep the Birmingham Canals topped up they used feeders from Roach Pool Edgbaston ( till the 50's called Rotten Park Reservoir now Edgbaston Reservoir)
Article below from a periodical of 1888
So speedily did the work of cutting the canal proceed, that the first boatload of coals was brought to the town on November 6th, 1769, the year of the Stratford Jubilee, The " Poet" Freeth wrote a number of verses upon the event, in one of which he says all the Birmingham people are " Mad for Navigation." Here are two of them: —
What mortals so happy as Birmingham boys?
What people so flushed with the sweetest of joys?
All hearts fraught with mirth at the wharf shall appear,
Their aspects proclaim it the Jubilee year,
And be full as gay in their frolicsome pranks,
As they who were dancing on Avon's green banks.
There never in war was for victory won,
A cause that deserved such respect from the town;
Then revel in gladness, let harmony flow,
From the district of Bordesley to Paradise Row,
For true-feeling joy in each breast must be wrought,
When Coals under Five Pence per hundred are bought.
The “Gazette” of November 6th the very day the first load of coals was brought by water said "it is with pleasure we congratulate the Public on the probability of Coal being brought by Water near this Town in a few Days; and that the Canal Company have not only resolved to sell the same this Winter at their Wharf for Fourpence Halfpenny per Hundred, long weight of 120 Ibs. but to fix the price of their Delivery in every Street hereof and in order for the better accommodating of the Poor, they have determined to establish Coal-yards in different Parts of the Town, as soon as possible, where it will be sold in Quantities as small as Half-Hundreds, or less; and indeed there is Great Reason to believe, that the Price of Coal will come (after the present Winter) cheaper than Four-pence Half-penny per Hundred and that the Gentlemen who have the conducting of this important Affair, will use all possible means to prevent Impositions of every kind."
In 1791 a new canal project was started, to construct a canal from Birmingham to Worcester. It was pointed out by a correspondent of the Gazette "that it would give the town almost every advantage of a sea-port, and pour into it the produce of all countries, at the easiest and cheapest rate, and at the same time take off its manufactured produce by the easiest and cheapest conveyance." The Bill passed Parliament during the session of 1791, but it met with considerable opposition from the Episcopal bench. One of the principal objections urged against it was that by giving increased facilities for the conveyance of coal to Worcester and other districts, the supply would speedily be exhausted. Freeth in his Political Songster wrote a strong poem on the subject. The canal to Worcester was made, and was the means of conveying much black-country produce into Worcestershire, at the same time benefiting many Birmingham investors.
The Canal Company sold coal at their wharf on their own account, but this they soon gave up, and, contenting themselves with the profit of the water carriage, left the retailing of the coal to other people
The making of the canal opened a new industry to Birmingham in the building of boats, and companies were formed who built or hired out boats to carry coal. In May, 1770, an advertisement appeared in the Gazette: —"The Birmingham Boat Company take this Method to inform the Public that they this Day begin selling Coal at Four Pence per Hundred Weight (six Score to the Hundred) on the Wharf at Birmingham aforesaid, where Teams may depend on a constant supply." In the next July the Birmingham Boat Company informed the public that they had invented a method of weighing their boats by tubes, and, as an experiment, they weighed by scales 30 tons 9 hundred weight into a boat, and weighing them afterwards at the proprietors' machine, the difference was only 11 Ibs.
Prior to the opening of the canal, all the coal consumed in Birmingham was obtained from South Staffordshire, and found its way into the town by the Oldbury Road, over Birmingham Heath, or from the West Bromwich district, via Handsworth. This traffic was, of course, much lessened after the opening of the railways, but people could well remember the constant stream of coal carts passing down through Handsworth and Hockley into town. John Wyatt, a famous Birmingham man, although not a native, had, some few years previously, invented the weighbridge, almost in the very
form in which it is used to day, and which, he said, would weigh a load of coals or a pound of butter with equal accuracy.
The prosperity of the Birmingham Canal Company caused them a good deal of opposition. Charges of hardship and inconvenience were made against them anonymously and otherwise, in the public papers, and at last the proprietor of the Birmingham Gazette announced that having had a variety of complaints that his paper was filled with disputes relative to the Birmingham Navigation, or other local matters which could not be interesting or entertaining to the generality of his readers, he hoped he should stand excused the future omission of any private dispute. After this we are informed that for a long time the Birmingham Canal Navigation worked in peace
 
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This correspondence is astounding. I opine there is likely (highly) a lot, as in wealth, of photographs of Birmingham and District canals.
Prior to the cumbersome plate camera 1837 then I suppose sketches and engravings. One would have thought The Birmingham Gazette would have been well up on pictures. If it is still in existence then there is likely a wealth of material not published in its archives. The library would only have the editions.
That account of the filth, as squalor, is amazing as it reveals the extremely arduous conditions of work and subsistence living in crowded habitation whether on a boat or in a barn/stable.
It occurred to me regarding the decorations both on the vessels and such as pots, kettles, bowls, mugs that there is a Romany influence, distinct.
Operating a canal boat in those days would certainly have been a likely draw for some gypsies. An unfortunate inept response of temper indignation by some boat people when referred to as Water Gypsies because that is in effect what they were - though of course on a fixed route.
The gorgeous white headress certainly looks Romany! There are various Romany peoples and some are aquatic. Notably France. That marvellous attire looks French, possibly SE European.
(This is frustrating and irritating as the blessed computer is on the fritzing blink - a line, searver - so I must adjourn with a few pressing questions and but a mere 4 of observations.)
THX
 
People today do not realise what a feat some of the canal projects were
When the canal was first cut through from Birmingham to Wolverhampton which was about 22 miles in length they got over the hill at Smethwick by putting six locks in to mount the summit and another six liquid steps down the other side but realised what a great drain on the water supply this was as the summit was 460 feet above sea level so after called in Telford to solve the problem……..his answer cut through the hill which he did to a depth of 75 feet and it was quoted in the papers of the time as “a work not surpassed in stupendous magnificence by a similar work in the world
While I have not got a picture at this moment in time, I should think it looks something like this one taken at High Bridge (River Tame) in Newton Road Great Barr
 
BCN &c

This is random thoughts:
This fascinating correspondence is a kind of cornucopia. I opine there are many photographs ‘out there’ and perhaps many who have them in their possession are not aware.
Prior to the advent of photography 1837 (coincidentally the year the Euston-Vauxhall railway line was inaugurated - taking the initial ride a diarist wrote that on entering Birmingham along the viaduct “….one can view the dwellings of the industrious artisans.” Kind of one step removed from “The Poet” who penned those whacko lines as to ecstatically rejoicing with gay abandon on the banks of the Avon at the advent of coal being conveyanced by canal to Birmingham so available at low cost to the “industrious artisans” and of course captains of industry [who built their manses the SW because the prevailing wind is SW so the fumes were blown away as SE (skirting Handsworth and Sutton Coldfield]. And how did they transit to Stratford upon Avon en masse?
In passing fleeting: it is difficult as in astonishing awkward that there is not at least one photograph of the teeming boat activity in the SuA pound. It must have proved an ongoing talk of the town and surely a spectacle for children and elderfolk retirees to behold.
Rod Birch located a photograph c. 1840 of The Golden Lion, High Street, Deritend [now standing in Canon Hill Park, apparently in a dilapidated condition] which is published on this site. [Bravo Rod: credit where it is due olden mate and delighted thou art back on your feet and kicking]
The Birmingham Sketch was always big on illustration. If it still exists there might be a wealth of such as sketches, engravings, early photographs in its vault. The public library only has editions. If it no longer exists then what happened to its archives?
You know the Illustrations Collection and specifically the local history component at the Central BPL is immense and that the material is rapidly deteriorating.
I suggested digitalizing employing students around the clock, or it will likely eventuate as a standard flat out at a snail’s pace project.
(The USA Library of Congress stock was irradiated in the 1980s: railway size cart loads. This is harmless to human beings and sanitizes in the sense of arresting and preventing decay. Even so there are many items which were so advanced of disintegration is so that they are also being digitalized.)
There is likely a non-borrowable illustrations component in that component of said collection.
Prior to photography then obviously sketches, watercolours, engravings.

Regarding the Romany: some at least of those people(s) are skilled tinsmiths.
Pots, kettles, pans, mugs. It might be they sold to the canal faring folk.
It is likely that some Romany (as gypsy, not to be confused with Tinkers: Irish dispossessed by Cromwell on one of his protracted rampages - incidentally: at his daughter’s wedding there was ale, cider, music, dancing) were indeed attracted to the quasi nomadic life of the float. Though not so random far flung as they were on a fixed path on a rigid timetable, it meant a steady income. Perhaps for a younger couple starting out. They would still have the family caravan base. Very physically tough and mentally alacritous -- some might say wily.

That is an astounding account of the man who delved squalor filth at the canal tavern in the barn. I often wondered as to personal hygiene. Perhaps rural stretches for personal immersion so scrub a dub dub. He chanced on two extremes who might well not have been so unusual. They worked either singly or as a family every day; mayhap to the consternation of The Lord’s Day Observance Society.
There is a musical The Water Gypsies with a few Gilbert and Sullivan types performing themselves. Apparently it was quite popular as light entertainment.
A bit like the tv show Wagon Train: all the women with clean white aprons, bonnets, men clean shaven…
When the body is unwashed for a long time and the person is active, noshing, the skin takes on a leathery texture. Remember the old night watchman with the pierced oil drum brewing his tea on the heap of coke (maybe laced with a drop of methalated spirits), perhaps roasting a chunk of meat on one of those three pronged extension jobs?
Those Knights of The Road often got by quite nicely that way in those days.

Of course industrialization involves brutalization.
In any industrialized society there is bound to be casualties: physical and mental and both.
The RSPCA was founded well before the SPCC. The same in New York City.
I wonder where did the canal boat people get fresh water? Surely they didn’t boil canal water? I suppose they knew, the early days, where wells were to be found and of course the influx from such as the reservoir yonder Edgbaston way to maintain levels.
Where did the water come from for that facility?
I was told the bulk of geology of Birmingham is shifting sandstone.
As was pointed out, excavating that railway tunnel SW must have been almost incomprehensible to us.
Snow Hill railway station was another altarpiece of Victoriana, smashed to smithereens by voraciously avaricious dolts. I think it was the GHQ of Great Western Railway.
I recall as a wee lad taking the train to London therefrom. Where did that tunnel open and what is its status today?

(Perhaps like the Japanese sleeping tubes it could be utilized as a hostel; suitably tarted up.) Another stupendous feat.
So all that done by hand, horse, pony, ass, block and tackle.
I viewed a detailed sketch of a huge swathe of railway cutting about Camden Town by Euston. The breadth is immense: men, horses, planks, navies, brick layers, cementers and so on.
Where was all the earth from canal and railway excavation deposited? Some it was quite rich.
A correspondent mentioned the sheer scale of human toil involved: relentless grinding six days a week dawn to dusk.
I saw a tv documentary which included footage of massive bridge construction the 1920s and 1930s: metal. (Incidentally, that beautiful span at Smethwick: another wonder: the big house up right. If that was a lock keeper’s abode then maybe he doubled as a toll collector. Or perhaps it was a tavern; or both? What a marvelous place to grow up! Of course it is obvious when you halt in your tracks to think: you would have to strap infants to the deck in dry weather. I mean the cabin roof. They certainly got abundant fresh air and sunshine. I’m surprised an enterprising kind didn’t develop a folding cot which could have been lashed firm and even draped over in rain.)
One thing surprising is that the men were dressed in heavy black leather boots, thick barathea (soft fabric with a kind of basket weave and a diapered pattern suits) [!], often shirt and tie, flat cap. In the case of this operation, a leather apron and elbow length leather gloves. I refer to riveting as red hot bolts way up on a metal beam (often girder).
The sight is tantamount to terrifying. One operative squats at a fire heating the bolts red hot and slings them with tongs to the installer who catches in his mitten and it one move drives them home walloping them with a big lump hammer. Not much difference between being 75’ above ground or 250’. One step out of place by an inch or catch on the sole on a bolt or nut and it’s almost certainly all over. Now that is something to behold contemplatively. For those in need it surely instills a sense of a modicum of humility. Essential for youngsters to grasp.
Each of the high fire blue engineering brick of the railway viaduct Bordesley to Moor Street Station and of course the anomalous Duddeston piece arches took an average four months to build. I wondered what is inside: is it layer after layer of brick?
Where were the bricks made? Are the blue prints extant? That would determine what is inside - as they are not hollow! - and if not then a core could be done by engineering students at Aston. Be a thrill and delight for them and a hands on historical immersion.

Cromwell posted splendid photographs he has either taken by himself or he has located them. His stuff is photogenic rather than just snapshots - which is what digital cameras for the most part result in producing (is it not astounding Ilford discontinued producing monochrome film recently! Remember HP4 etc.. 100 asa was ideal for architecture if you were steady stance wise or with tripod or set on such as a wall, barrel, boxes. One of the best range of b/w film ever made. I used like the pastel quality of the colour.).
The last cast iron canal bridge produced pictured by him at that intersection I have traversed hundreds if not thousands of times. More of that in due course.

Where were they made and how transported? Presumably two single span pieces with under panels? Curiously when you gaze beneath they appear one piece.
There’s one with a panel on it by where the section of Duddeston rail viaduct was destroyed by aerial bombard by Nazi madness. A hump back road item.
I think it reads 17-something.

Here’s an astonishing reveal:
When you stand on that bridge where the GU crosses the culverted Rea (an astounding feat of civil engineering as well - almost an understatement) the halt and gaze to.
There you have the story of the modern era as industrialization; viz.:
river [which was navigable, as I might have mentioned, so that them with dough could take vessel a Sunday to Vauxhall Gardens for a concert and genteel frolic: but where did they take boat from?] – old road – canal – all crossed by rail. And that is it almost within spitting distance. What an intersection. It might be unique.
There was an immense municipal garbage disposal plant alongside with a very high chimney. A marvellous piece of masonry. I once suggested BBC tv put a movable webcam atop: easy to lower in a rock climber from a balloon to install. Big news splash stimulate youngster imagination and generally fluff up everybody’s glands.
That was another amazing facility: cobblestones, masonically correct buildings, it was like a town within the city.

Cromwell, et al, did you ever sally forth that way?
The opposite side of the Rea was a huge railway freightage yard. Again cobble stones and all that entails. (Where did they come from? There must have been thousands of people hewing them: alone. The Bull ring and most streets about were cobble stones.
They were cut to the size of a horse shoe for traction. [What happened to the ones from the Bull Ring when that hideous thing was built? Conveniently vanished.
Just an aside: Birmingham in the 1960s was listed as of aprx. 1 million miles of streets - alleys and so on and so forth. All were illuminated by gas lighting, subsequently electricity. So more than a million miles of plumbing. Then cable for electricity.
Traversing the canal through city center there was a very big as huge municipal yard alongside packed with those lovely cast iron gas lamp posts. What happened to them?
No public accountability. But then given a generalized apathy anaesthetical it is tantamount to flogging a dead horse. Hence property speculators and assorted unscrupulous elements got away with what they did.]

I chanced on it after being intercepted as a lad by a Transport Police detective in off white belted gabardine rain coat. I presented a Tow Path Permit which I obtained for 1/-6d from that big British Waterways yard off Broad Street [‘behind’ that monstrosity Alpha Tower: if you stand with your back to Birmingham Repertory Theatre gaze towards the big bronzy statues of Matthew Bolton James Watt affront the Registry Office, then off that sloping street. More cobble stones. The two elderfolk gents were astonished wry when I presented and made one out in copper plate script for All Four Regions. I collared my pal and insisted he got one. When I was a boy in those days you could walk all day and night and hardly ever see a soul, or a boat in action.
The way I came by a permit was when I first discovered on foot this marvellous world in a kind of suspended animation. I was enchanted. Of course I had seen canals as a younger child from the top deck of an omnibus. I had not led a sheltered existence.
Being a vigorous walker I was in an amazing voyage of discovery contemplatively padding along through city center. Near Gas Street at that big junction where the canal is N to Black Country (Dudley Tunnel etc.) there’s an island which now bears a sign post, well a wee way along going ‘back’ was the lock keeper’s abode: a tall white building which seemed in perpetual shade. He had a huge Alsatian hound with massive paws who got all the exercise such an animal could possibly want. This is how I came to get The Permit. My first venture I met him and the dog. A tall, large boned muscular man who might well have been a boater of yore. I got on ok with the animal as I in part grew up on a farm and handled a lot of dogs. I forget his name though he was a character. He told me recently the dog had gone bounding off towards where the Museum of Science and Industry was. He wondered what was so special and sauntered after the dog. He found him with a man pinned to the wall by the dog’s front legs (be remarkably acrobatic were the other way around). The guy must have been stuck there quite a long time with the dog slobbering. Apparently he was some sort of surveyor.
I smiled when he related this to me and in his austere way I think he was pleased I could appreciate the funny side. That’s how I came by The You Know What.

Well, the constable was mighty surprised to find a boy whipping out such a document, which he probably did not know existed. That intercept prompted my curiosity to know what was up and over that steep embankment. At that stage it was abandoned.
But there was still straw and you could smell horses. Actually there was all sorts of antiquarian stuff. If I had a hangar the size of Elmdon International Birmingham Airport I could easily have packed it with items I found. And made a fortune. (A friend of mine’s brother-in-law in Nechells worked for a bloke who exported - kindly brace thyself - one million [to round figures] upright pianos to the USA from, mostly Birmingham and District, which he got during the slum clearance and so on and so forth [many pubs dumped them].) It was an eerie, kind of poetic experience: that derelict, bleak, stark kind of majesty. Because I understood, which one cannot put into words unless coming across as a crank, the labour entailed, the investment, the precision of craft-engineering, the population activity. Eventually the facility was a roadway containerfreight depot, then a car park. Not to mince words there is stupidity as in dense thick.

This discovery of dilapidation prompted me to found Birmingham Canal Navigations Society. I had a hundred letterheads printed by a chap alongside St Martins in The Bull Ring and put it out. I did not have the resources to deal with all that, whatever it might amount to, and besides it would take an adult, not a boy. An ideal person would have been a school teacher used to telegrammatically addressing people making plentiful sense to keep them awake and of course with resource.

Dudley Canal Tunnel was another blood curdling rile. I guess BW had nailed railway sleepers to the entrance (is that Tipton side?) which a few of us stalwarts promptly removed and installed a butty. The approach hump back brick bridge was almost non existent. I managed to engage ITV (Alpha) and BBC tv and the Birmingham Evening Mail & Despatch (‘allo?) by lighting a fire under them. When I mentioned “protest cruise” they knee jerk reacted, “Is it CND?” I almost felt like saying, “I bloody well ask you, in the reign of a month of Sundays for crying out loud how bamboozled as punch drunk can you get. Whatdya want, a blood transfusion?” In all seriousness now.
The odds were fierce. Apathy was breathtaking.

What a lug that was.
Off Castle Mill Basin there is a working which is a generous crawl to enter (if still accessible). A not great distance in is a sump. There are three levels. The police divers used train there. I was told on presumably the bottom level that is where the first Watt steam pump is embalmed. The intelligent common sense solution is for the engineering depts.., @ Birmingham U and Aston to build one of those Titanic exploring mini subs to take a shufty reconnaissance - and be done with it.
Where is the canal link to the huge Wren’s Nest workings? I know there was one - obviously but I could never determine where.

There is another observation concerning mining and labour and a few brief questions to do with a few brief questions prompted by Cromwell’s marathon BCN hike recently.
However, for today, that’s quite enough of that.
 
Hmld, as I sit at a canal side pub with my pint of Porter and munching on a bit of cheese and pickle watching the pleasure boats chugging along, I cannot help but wonder of what we know is from a forgotten age which as all but disappeared never to come back in the form we knew……the old night watchman sitting in his little shelter designed so he could not lie down with his fire bucket going to keep warm and cook his bit of bacon and eggs on a shovel whilst guarding the coal at the canal side wharfs, from passing boatmen. Both sides tried to outwit each other ……..the night watchman white washing the coals so he would know if any had been taken and the boatmen carrying buckets of whitewash to repaint where they pinched it from………
Seeing a barge grounded in the middle of the canal and the bargee …..pole vaulting to the bank with his barge hook and using a block and tackle wrapped round the nearest tree to free the barge to save the horse from exhaustion trying to pull it free.
In the old days most of the coal was loaded off the barge using a hand barrow (like a stretcher) not a wheelbarrow ……..tough men
All as we can hope is the folk who cruise round the canals today want to learn about the history of the “cut” and the people who worked the waterways and keep their memory alive for future generations.
The Freshwater which the boatmen used they got from the pubs and canal side stops but the poor old horse always had his bucket filled from the canal and they always knew were the best water was free from chemical pollution like the Sulphur or lime works.
If you have been to the Lime works at Dudley running parallel over the other side is the Dudley tunnel entrance and if you get a map and draw a line in WWS direction you go under Dudley Castle mound under Priory Park under Scott’s Green Cemetery and pick up the Dudley Canal, but you could have got to the Wrens Nest if you had took the far tunnel (on ya right) before going into the main tunnel at Castle Works

The Brickworks were spread over just under a square mile or more and to name a few: - Midland brick Works, - Crown, -Atlas Crown, - Albert, - Garrison Farm, - Adderley Park, -Parkfield, - Globe Brick and Tile Works, -Britannia, - Colleys Brick Works and many more all mainly in the Bordesley Area up to Adderley Park and Saltley area so bricks were plentiful for tunnels, bridges etc the viaducts were built solid not like the castles of old with infill of rubble and the cast iron bridges were cast in the Black Country and bought to their position by Barge to replace the temporary wooden ones
Regarding the Museum Archives the Newspapers are in a state disintegration going back from the Great War and have to be handled very carefully most are falling to bits
But like everything today to preserve things costs money and they always seem to get kicked into doing something about it when its all but gone…….Like the Red Lion (forget about it and it will go away……..Disintegrate)

Brindley's canal, for the sake of cheapness of construction and money being much scarcer and more difficult to raise in the early days of canals were winding and crooked; and it was considered desirable to shorten and straighten them by cutting off the bends at different points. At the point at which the canal entered Birmingham, it had become little better than a crooked ditch, with scarcely the appearance of a tow-path, the horses frequently sliding or staggering into the water, the tow lines sweeping the gravel into the canal, and the entanglement at the meeting of boats being a nuisance; whilst at the locks at each end of the short summit at Smethwick crowds of boatmen were always fighting and quarrelling, or offering premiums for a preference of passage; and the mine-owners, injured by the delay, were loud in their just complaints. Telford proposed an improvement, which was carried out without loss of time, and greatly to the advantage of the trade of the district. The numerous bends in the canal were cut off, the waterway was greatly widened, the summit at Smethwick was cut down to the level on either side, and a straight canal, forty feet wide, without a lock, was thus formed as far as Bilston and Autherley, along the whole extent of the “Black Country,” and its length was reduced from twenty-two to fourteen miles. At the same time the obsolete curvatures in Brindley's old canal were converted into separate branches, or basins, for the accommodation of the numerous mines and manufactories on either side of the main line. A towing-path on each side of the canal was formed, and the edges were protected by massive stone coping. In consequence of the alterations which had been made in the canal, it was found necessary to construct numerous large bridges. One of these, the summit bridge, of cast-iron, has been much admired for its elegance, lightness, and economy of material. It had 150 feet span. Several others were constructed at different points, and at one point the canal itself is carried along on an aqueduct. The whole of these improvements were carried out in two years in the early 1820’s and the result was found to be highly satisfactory, proving as Mr. Telford himself remarked,” that where business is extensive, a liberal expenditure of this kind is true economy.”
Some of these bridges were among the earliest specimens of their kind. The skew-bridges were considered a curiosity, and the summit bridge was highly commended for its novelty of construction combined with the material of which it was composed cast-iron; For a long time they were an attraction to scientific men, and the Duke of Wellington and Sir Robert Peel came down to see them, being drawn along the canal in the Company's state barge. It was on this the only occasion of the Duke's visit to Birmingham, that his carriage was stoned, though no injury was done. The cause of the outrage was that the Duke had recently taken an active part in opposing the Bill for Catholic emancipation from civil disabilities! and this was a point on which popular feeling in Birmingham was very strong………. and a point worth noting is the Canal Companies used to run fast covered boats drawn by 3 horses from Birmingham to the Black Country to see the Dudley Caverns
Map shows were the Boulton & Watt Beam Pumping Engine was at Ashted which was put their in 1812 and is now in Michigan in Henry Fords Museum
 
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I'm surprised no one has commented on the Dress that the girl is wearing in post 14 reply 131 but all will be revealed in the next post with an explanation
Pic one is a great ad from 1890 and pic two is to show you were Baskerville Wharf was (just up from The Wharf.... Gas St Basin)
 
Baskerville was a very interesting man. A great friend of Benjamin Franklin apparently. On your map you can see the printing works adjoining the Newhall Branch now also gone. He was dead by 45 years when the Gibson cutting was made and they destroyed his mausoleum adjoining his house fronting on Cambridge Street in the process. The travells of his body from there is interesting reading. The house itself had been destroyed in riots that occured before that also after the Baskervilles were gone. Is there any pictures of the high lock and pumphouse or the old mansion.
 
Rupert, I'll post some pic's of the locks a bit later,Its very hard not to go off thread talking on a subject as vast as this but as John Baskerville was an Atheist he was buried in his own Garden in 1775 and when the Wharfs for the canal were cut through, his coffin was found and his coffin was placed in the vaults of Christ Church, this in turn was demolished so he was reburied again in 1898 at the Church of England Cemetery Warstone Lane in a vault beneath the chapel which was demolished in 1953 but with the vaults intact…… RIP was not much good for him
The Term Water Gypsy for the Boat people I find completely wrong by studying their surnames in the Canal Boatmen 1760-1914 the names Roberts, Jones and Smith were common which suggest they came from the land and from the people that built the canals……and the early photo’s suggest they did not know much about the horses they used as they carried the whip and used it which is well documented in CLAYHANGER by Arnold Bennett which gives a graphic account of a seven year old canal child using the whip on a tired old starved horse. When the boatmen aquired their first boat and horse it was often on Hire Purchase from the boats companies and the horses died in some cases well before the loan was paid back so the poor old horse was worked to death by the ones who could not afford to rent one
The early evidence leans more on the boatmen coming from the land and not travelling or Romany families…….. In the early days women were not allowed on the boats so the men must have had a base to got back to after taking loads long distances as they did not own the boats…when they started to own their boats and the family grew…some of the girls might have been sent into service as servants etc.
The main element in a boatman’s life was “Time” everything revolved around this……..best friend and best mates in the pub but as soon as they stepped outside ………the race was on to get the load to the destination and if you were the timid kind you would always be at the back of the queue, punch-ups were a way of life as it was the only way to settle an argument on who first went into a lock etc. Everything they owned was the boat and horse and they were paid to take a load from A to B and most of the time came back empty so the horse had to make the full round trip as they could not afford to rent or hire a horse every X amount of miles
Hmld……I came across a good sales pitch by the Bolinder Salesmen when they were trying to sell their engines, as the boatmen were unsure of the hot part on the Bolinger and diesel fuel with fire risk ……..the Salesmen use to pour some diesel in the hold and drop a lighted match in which went straight out (which I would not advise anyone to try)
Good books to read on the subject of canals are
The Canal Age – Charles Hadfield and the Great Days of the Canals – Anthony Bennet
The First pic (from an old drawing) is something I could not understand till I saw the slot it the bank on the edge of the canal, then I realized it was to stop the flow of the canal if a bank burst or repairs had to be made …….the planks of wood could be dropped on top of each other to form a barrier and so isolate that part of the canal ……today the wood would not be stored like this but in sheds or a more secure place
 
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