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Hi Tezza - I'd love to get a look around the cellars now that you've mentioned them, but wouldn't know where to start to be honest?!?

How about the following - heavily edited report from a site I visited yesterday?

In the late hours of New Years Eve (08) / early hours of New Years Day (09) the alarm system at a large store in the Black Country area was triggered twice. A response team was dispatched to the site on both occasions – approx. 4.5 hours apart - but nothing was discovered to account for the tripping of the alarms and the system concerned was re-set on both occasions. On the following say, security officers checked over the CCTV footage for the store and discovered an anomaly on the recordings corresponding to the entrance area of the store. Initial reports reaching the W.M.G.C. mentions circular, smoke-like effects seen passing in front of the camera and a definite figure on the footage.

In the days that followed, a group member spoke with the general manager of the store and we were asked to visit them and view the footage concerned. During this conversation, it was ascertained that the store had a reputation for ‘strange goings on’ among the staff members and that the ground on which the store stood had once belonged to a local celebrity. This was of particular interest to the group, as we had been aware of an alleged haunting associated with this land for many years.

A visit to the store was arranged for Tuesday 27th of January at 11 am.

On viewing the footage concerned, it was noted that the initial report was evidently quite erroneous.

At 10.20 pm on New Year Eve, a peculiar effect appears on footage obtained by a (foyer based) camera (mounted above / left of foyer to store doors) which is pointing towards the external doors from foyer to car park area. The effect concerned is a vague distortion in the left hand side of the footage. Not identifiable as transient mist / smoke effect – i.e. drifting past camera, etc – but a semi-transparent distortion that gives an impression of moving around slightly in the same portion of the image.

Unfortunately, the image is not the best quality and identifying the distortion clearly is hindered by the pixellation of the image, which appears especially bad around where the distortion is appearing.

After some minutes of this effect remaining on screen, the doors leading from the foyer into the store itself – automatic, on a PIR sensor - are seen to open and close of their own volition. With the (recording) camera mounted above and to the left of the doors concerned, the action of the doors is clearly seen reflected in the glass of the foyer / car park doors immediately opposite. It is the action of the doors opening and closing that sets off the building alarm system. (The response team are subsequently seen on the footage entering the building, etc).

Viewing the rest of the footage on fast forward, the distortion effect appears again later on in the recording, and the foyer / store doors are seen to open and close again at 2.46 am (New Years Day) – once again resulting in the security team attending the premises.

The general manager tells us that CCTV specialists had been out to look at the camera in the days following and could not explain the effect. No faults were found with the equipment; nothing found on the camera lens, etc.

At this point, a member of staff – who has worked at the store (on and off) for thirty years – was interviewed. He said that, many years ago, he had been in the store overnight to supervise a maintenance crew conducting repairs on the premises. After the crew had finished, he had let them out of the building (some time around 2 a.m.) and had busied himself with chores to while away the hours until security arrived around 6 a.m. At one point, he had been on an upstairs landing in the store and had seen the figure of an elderly gentleman standing nearby. He could make out a woolly, brown coat and grey trousers – and had a large bunch of keys hanging from a ring fastened to his belt. He had called out to the man – thinking it was a workmate who had come in early – but the figure didn’t respond and walked away, out of sight. He had gone to look for the man, but couldn’t find anyone on the premises.

A day or so later, a work colleague bought a book into the store dedicated to local history and, on leafing through the book, the above-mentioned witness saw a photograph of the previous owner of the store site. He identified this as the man he had recently seen… the figure in the photograph wearing a large ring, loaded with keys, attached to his belt.

On a later occasion, he had been working in the store overnight and had felt a chill suddenly come over him. He apparently turned around and saw a mist-like effect travelling along the aisle towards him. He had immediately fled the scene and took refuge in the canteen area. On later returning to the shop floor he had witnessed a number of Kit-Kat chocolate bars seemingly fall off a shelf of their own volition. On describing the mist-effect he had seen, he likened it strongly to the distortion caught on the CCTV footage.

We were told that, over the years, a number of people had experienced different things at the site, another ex-staff member (named) having reported seeing a figure whilst working in the store overnight. An Asian staff member is said to have been working in the foyer at one point recently – serving a customer – when a number of shopping trolleys had apparently moved on their own. The customer is said to have fled the scene.

At this point during the visit, there is a suggestion that the face of a woman has been seen on the CCTV footage by certain staff members, so the tape is duly re-viewed again. No sign of a woman wearing a bonnet is seen – no effect suggesting such an image, etc – and it is discovered that a recording from a second camera covering the foyer area (including the region covered by the first cam) has recently been wiped clean.

Regards,

Nick
www.westmidlandsghostclub.com
 
NICHOLAS
That was a very interesting report Nick and seems the closest thing yet, to what TIZZYKATZ might say was " concrete evidence". It does follow the old pattern though, in that, there was no apparent reason for it to happen. No one was there to observe it.
Most video camereas are capable of registering Infra red, At this, below human sight frequency, infra red shows up as various shades of white to grey. This could explain the grey misty image picked up by the camera, it would appear "shapeless" { try flashing your TV handset at your own cam corder, you will find that the camera will pick up the flash of the infra red, and it will appear on any recording made as various shades of white to grey]That does not of course explain the visual sightings that you also mention, this puts us back again to roughly where we started, I think!!
One curious thing though Nick, although the camera image is white to grey, most human sightings are in Colour to a greater, or lesser degree.
Its a strange tale however and I feel that you may yet, not have heard the last of it!!!
TEZZA
 
NICHOLAS
Further thoughts on your report:
Any infra red detection would I imagine trigger the door opening system however, this raises two further questions:

a) The doors MUST have been manualy lockedALSO, so how did they open?

b) Does a ghost(if that is what it was) NEED an open door to walk
through anyway?
Given that they walk through wall's etc, why did this one need an open door?
closer investigation on your part is called for I think, Nick!!!!!!!!!!!
TEZZA
 
Aha - I like the reasoning Tezza!!! All good food for thought mate!!;)

The interesting point for me was the fact that initial reports had said that a 'smoke / mist-like effect' had been spotted 'going past' the camera concerned. I must admit that I'd held my head in my hands for a few seconds when hearing this, as I couldn't tell you the times I've viewed such footage over the years and come away feeling (shall we say) slightly less than impressed......

However, as mentioned, whatever was on the footage appeared in the mid / bottom left portion of the screen and gave the distinct impression of 'milling around' in that portion of the footage throughout. Had it been totally static, I'd have thought that it was something in front of the lens, perhaps, but - not so - the effect was definitely moving about. The effect appeared transparent / smoky in consistency, but - from what I could tell - was moving around on itself??? (If that makes any sense??) It also returned to the exact same position on a couple or three occasions during the space of four or so hours......

I've asked the staff / management to keep me informed if anything else happens, of course....

Regards,

Nick
www.westmidlandsghostclub.com
 
NICHOLAS
It still could have been infra red Nick.
But it Don't explain locked doors opening!! I presume the doors were locked and NOT just relying on the elecronices to keep them locked?
Lets face it Nick, a gnat on the lens of of the camera itself, would not be seen as a gnat it would be too small and blurry. but its infra red would show up, similar to the effects that you desribe. But one again, we come back to te locked doors opening. A puzzle indeed Nick, can't wait for the sequel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TEZZA
 
NICHOLAS
It still could have been infra red Nick.
But it Don't explain locked doors opening!! I presume the doors were locked and NOT just relying on the elecronices to keep them locked?
Lets face it Nick, a gnat on the lens of of the camera itself, would not be seen as a gnat it would be too small and blurry. but its infra red would show up, similar to the effects that you desribe. But one again, we come back to te locked doors opening. A puzzle indeed Nick, can't wait for the sequel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TEZZA

Hi Tezza - lets hope that there might be a follow up section to this particular matter, as it's one of the most interesting things we've been involved with for a while (I can tell you).;)

To be honest Tezza - re. the doors being actually locked or not - I don't think that they were. This was something that I quizzed the manager about and he seemed a little reticent to reply clearly!?!? I had the impression that they 'should' have been locked, but weren't. (The foyer area of the shop in in a 'locked down' section of the building - behind roller shutters - so I don't think that they're all that bothered about locking off the door mechanism???) Whatever the situation, it's strange to note that they have never experienced anything akin to this in the past (or in the brief time since this incident). It was, after all, the opening of the doors that had set off the security system and they'd never had any night-time call-outs over preceding years, etc.

Regards,

Nick
www.westmidlandsghostclub.com
 
NICHOLAS
A you say Nick, " time will tell"!
look forward to more on this, guess you will be the fiirst to know when something new does occur, meanwhile, its good publicity for the shop concerned, I think you might agree!
TEZZA
 
meanwhile, its good publicity for the shop concerned, I think you might agree!


Hi Tezza,

Re. the publicity angle, I'm afraid this is why I haven't been able to name the site concerned mate..... The general manager doesn't worry about the story getting around, but he says his bosses might not share the same view!!:D We're having to 'keep schtum' about the actual whereabouts of the store as a result!!

Regards,

Nick
www.westmidlandsghostclub.com
 
NICHOLAS
Gathered that was the reason Nick. Did you see the article in Saurdays DAILY MAIL, concerning the new Derby Hospital? They claim to have a ghost on this new site and its quite a lengthy article, The article claims that Derby is the most haunted place in England. REF: Daily Mail 31 January 2009.
TEZZA
 
I think more thought should be given to : are these strange things just something normal, but latent in most of us. Or are they indicators that such goings on are actualy dead people come from the other side?
Too much emphasis is placed on any strange events, being put down to Ghosts ,as such and I feel that the two should be seperated a little more, if only for clarity sake. Then we might get somewhere.


Hi Nick & Tezza

I thought you made an interesting point there, Tezza. As you have probably gathered, I don't believe in ghosts at all, but I do believe 'ghosts' are used as an explanation for the (at this time) unexplainable. Just wanted to make clear that I would not dismiss someone's experience of strange happenings - just don't think we have the answers yet.

I know this is going off topic so I hope you don't mind me telling you about my recent meeting with a psychic/medium type person (I have a very dim view in general of these people too). I was there at a friends bequest :). Well I was very good and didn't laugh out loud or anything like that nor did I grab my mates cash and yell nooooooooooo..... but I so wanted too ;). My friend (a believer) at the time also thought she was not very good. However, now my friend seems to be 'fitting' information from this psychic into her life and it made me wonder how much we try to do this with the 'unknown'.

:biggrin: about the 'wool shop'

Kaz
 
Hi Nick & Tezza

I thought you made an interesting point there, Tezza. As you have probably gathered, I don't believe in ghosts at all, but I do believe 'ghosts' are used as an explanation for the (at this time) unexplainable. Just wanted to make clear that I would not dismiss someone's experience of strange happenings - just don't think we have the answers yet.

Kaz


Hi,

Firstly - I've got to say (again) that I wish Tizzy lived closer to this area, as I'd 'snap her up for the group' before you could say 'rational thinker'!!!:D:D:D

Re. the quote above : Tiz true Tizzy...... 95% of my fibre and soul would tend to agree with you there!! As just one example, I was reading through a ghost related book a few days ago and some chappy was relating how he sometimes has a tendency to view conversations from outside his body.... (Nothing more 'spooky' than that.... but it's included in a book of ghostly experiences). Needless to say, his experiences screamed some form of dissociation / depersonalisation problems, rather than anything paranormal in origin. (Have to admit that I thought that this showed a degree of negligence / innocence / ignorance on behalf of the authors too???)

Cutting a potentionally long story short, the above mentioned comments are why researchers into the paranormal 'HAVE TO' remain objective, detatched and view such things from a neutral position. (Negating literally 99.9% [recurring], so called / self professed 'researchers' out there in an instant!!:D:D)

Regards,

Nick
www.westmidlandsghostclub.com
 
TIZZYKATZ
Tizzy, you are almost as elusive as our elusive ghosts!!!
I feel that people have always wanted to believe that SOMETHING must happen after death. Death itself, just can't be the end.
This said, they will always cast around for some sort of Proof,and Spiritulists come in being. once they get established, then anything goes and all sorts of effects are attributed to ghosts. Well its certainly true that some strange unexplainable THINGS do happen to people and these cannot be denied. I myself did witness a gas stove rise of its own accord some years ago.
I did not imagine it, but to assume that it was ghost lifting it, would be an assumption TOO far.
I think that Nick and yourelf are CORRECT to be objective, without being TOO objective and dismissing everthing.
I recall that during the cold war, Russians were moving dice, tumblers and coins around by "thought" alone, NO ghosts involved there then, but COULD LOOK like one, if one did not know otherwise. lets seperate the "ghosts" from all the other strange goings on, then we might get somewhere.!!
Well, I have said my piece now, so NICK did you see the tale of the new Derby hospital haunting in Last saturdays Daily Mail?? made an interesting read
TEZZA
 
I feel that people have always wanted to believe that SOMETHING must happen after death. Death itself, just can't be the end.

It's so true Tezza.... I've always reckoned that the belief in the afterlife frequently serves as a perfect defence mechanism for people too lazy to subscribe to an orthodox religion!!:D:D

Well its certainly true that some strange unexplainable THINGS do happen to people and these cannot be denied. I myself did witness a gas stove rise of its own accord some years ago.

I did not imagine it, but to assume that it was ghost lifting it, would be an assumption TOO far.

without being TOO objective and dismissing everthing. Lets seperate the "ghosts" from all the other strange goings on, then we might get somewhere.!!

I don't think we'd be assuming too much to believe that the stove was picked up by a ghost Tezza...... of course, it all depends on what people might believe a ghost actually consists of, but I think that, short of a blatantly logical reason for the stove lifting, we're most probably right in referring to (identifying) the force concerned as what people would tend to regard as a 'ghost'? (If that makes sense??)

I think that the true role of the objective researcher is, primarily, not to get 'involved' with what is being reported or studied. (This is where all of the biased attempts at professed research / investigation fail from the very beginning). This is easier said than done, of course, as we're all only human at the end of the day and it's in our nature to judge, act on our beliefs and draw conclusions, etc.

Well, I have said my piece now, so NICK did you see the tale of the new Derby hospital haunting in Last saturdays Daily Mail?? made an interesting read

I have to admit that I was utterly flummoxed by all of the media attention splayed on Derby Hospital re. the above mentioned matter?? Someone I know contacted the hospital for a quote on what was being reported and they were met with a 'sorry - we don't require any more exorcists!!' put-down!!!:D:D:D

All the best,

Nick
www.westmidlandsghostclub.com
 
NICHOLAS
Think your last mail summed it ALL up really.
As regards the dreaded gas stove !!! Everyone concerned was pre-occupied in looking for a REASON for it happen (everyone need reason's don't they?, There HAS to be reason for everything!!) Or doe's there???
Our reason seemed to land it at the foot of the kids, because it did not happen if they were not there. But we do not really know, and there may be NO reason at all. Just a happening, so to speak.
What I mean to say " Why does ones buttered bread ALWAYS fall butter side down"? Why does one stub ones toe on the bedpost when its been there for years? We can't see the wind, but we know its there.
Getting a bit carried away now Nick.
The article about Derby Hospital said they were more than a BIt fed up of all the interest and were trying to play it down, for the patients sake, they said.
Well, they weren't after publicicty, so yet another mystery to think about.
Wonder what TIZZYKATZ thinks???
TEZZA
 
I was just wondering whether anyone has any stories connected with the general Warstones Lane area in the Jewellery Quarter? The long standing legend associated with the region concerns the Grey / White Lady (as we all know) - who has allegedly haunted the region since Victorian times (?) - but I've been told (in the past) that 'other peculiar things' are said to have occured in that general area???

Regards,

Nick
www.westmidlandsghostclub.com
 
I was told some time ago several people saw the Grey Lady comming from the area of the Mint across Warstone Lane Cemetery.
 
Hi Wendy,

As far as I can recall, the ghost is credited with having haunted certain parts of the Mint building itself at times....... (Or, at least, a figure resembling the same apparition that had been seen outside the premises , etc).

One of the main points of interest about this matter is the fact that 'her' stomping-ground - i.e. where she has allegedly been seen - is remarkably far reaching.....?

Regards,

Nick
 
Hi Nick,

Back in the sixties my dad installed a furnace at the Mint, and this entailed staying on the premises late into the evening on some days. I can remember him saying that one or two of the blokes who worked there said they hated being in the place at night (maybe the very tight security might have had something to do with that....!).

Big Gee
 
Found this if anyone is interested
Haunted Happenings
By Ayn Hunt

Haunted Happenings, the nonfiction newsletter about ghosts from author Ayn Hunt also writing as Ayn Amorel

Most of us dearly love ghost stories, the more personal and realistic those stories are, the better. But what are ghosts? Why are they here? Why do they interact with some people, but not with others?

What Are Ghosts?

Ghosts are the spiritual embodiment all of us have within us. This embodiment is often called our soul. It’s a mass of energy which once lived on this earthly plane with a physical body and a life much like ours, complete with an occupation, friends, and loved ones. They have the same personality with the same level of intelligence they had when they were living, and like us, have likes, dislikes, dispositions, quirks and a self-image.

The problem for many of us is that ghosts don’t have a body we can readily see. When they materialize what we think we are seeing is their mental projection of themselves as they once were when alive and vital on this earthly plane.

Why Do Ghosts Interact With Some People, But Not Others?

Ghosts are like us in that many of them are leery of strangers. While remaining invisible, they’ll study those who have received their interest. This can happen by a person moving into an old house or establishment where a ghost has fond memories and has decided to stay there, or if a spirit is wandering, looking for someone they left behind
If that person however seems skeptical of them, ghosts will keep their distance. Why bother to using valuable energy to interact with someone who scoffs at them? But if a person is accepting, ghosts will eventually reveal themselves.

Sometimes ghosts will test the waters so to speak, by saying a person’s name out loud, without materializing. But since they don’t have a body, much less vocal chords, what the person hears isn’t a voice, but rather the ghost’s projection of their thoughts, much like using mental telepathy.

Some shyer ghosts, usually females, are content to make themselves known by coming close enough to a person for them to smell their signature scent. This scent is a part of our identity that remains with us even to the grave and beyond.
Did your favorite aunt or mother wear a certain type of cologne? Have you ever smelled it after she died? If you did, chances are, you were being checked on by her. She doesn’t want to intrude. But she wants you to know she hasn’t deserted you by dying.

Keep in mind too, that ghosts see things as they were, not as they are. Consequently, there might be a field or open area which has ghosts. But if you research it, you’ll find there was usually a structure there, and the ghost sees it exactly as it was when they passed on.

Fact: One Out Of Every 30 People Who Die Will Become A Ghost

Why Stay On This Earthly Plane?
Some, like Liberace, loved their life too much to give it up. He loved the interaction, the glitz and glamour to go to the Eternal Light when it appeared. So he can frequently be seen and heard playing his favorite piano at the Liberace museum in Las Vegas. The same goes for Rudolph Valentino. He was trying to jump-start his failing career before he got sick, and after he died, decided to stick around his beloved elegant home and expensive possessions which he’d worked so hard to get.

Or, sometimes, a person dies so suddenly, they don’t know they’re dead. They think they’re alive and will carry on as before. Victims of a car crash or any other sudden accident can often be found in this group.

Some ghosts make periodic visits to people who are living. When that living person passes on, the ghost will usually leave this earthly plane too.

Active Haunting versus a Residual Haunting

An Active Haunting has an active ghost who will interact with those living. They’ll make themselves known and react to things the person does or says. But keep in mind, a ghost can’t read anyone’s mind. Sometimes the ghost is a good guesser and seems to, but chances are he’s simply astute and is ‘reading’ a person’s expressions.

A Residual Haunting is the imprint of energy left by an event of massive proportions. A ghost may or may not appear, but if he does, he won’t interact with those living. He’ll be looking as if he’s trying to solve whatever it was when he died unexpectedly.

John F. Kennedy, for example, can often be seen with head bowed, walking through the halls of the old Rice Hotel in Houston. He doesn’t interact, doesn’t even notice those around him.

Why the Rice Hotel? That was where he stayed his last night when he came to Texas before he flew to Dallas. And the reason he’d come to Texas despite warnings not to, was he was trying to heal the rift in the Democratic Party that could have affected the outcome of the next election.
Some think underground water sources are related to residual hauntings, that they help store images or energy. Still others think the type of building materials are responsible for it. The bottom line is that no one knows because of the lack of studies done in this particular area.

Ghost Busters

These are the professionals who investigate ghosts and hauntings. Many of them hold down full time jobs as scientists, chemists, mathematicians, etc. They believe that ghosts exist, and are receptive to them. But they approach them from a scientific perspective, bringing along equipment that records changes in the barometric pressure, changes in temperature, electromagnetic sensors, sophisticated cameras with infrared film, etc. They buy them with their own money, and because of the expense of conducting an investigation, may or may not charge a fee to do it. But this is not a job for those wishing to get rich quick. Any money they collect goes into the organization for group expenses.

They are very selective about those who want to join them. A person wishing to join must undergo extensive psychological testing including thorough background checks. They must be flexible and strong enough to work some nights and week-ends on a moment’s notice, despite their day job.
Nearly every area of the country now has such an organization, and most are listed on line. Although they’re busier than ever before with a lot of people seeking help, they’re very easy to contact with instructions on their website as to how they want people to do it.

Why Seek Professional Help?

Some ghosts don’t want interaction with humans, and will do everything within their power to run them off. This can happen when a person moves into a home which has been vacant a long time. This type of ghost won’t hurt you, but it may scare you half-to-death

Unfortunately, it also might not be a ghost who’s causing the trouble. It might be something else entirely. If something unseen touches you, for example, what you’re feeling is that entity’s energy, and that could be a sign of trouble brewing.

As time goes on, that touch could turn into something deadly.
In future editions I’ll feature some places to get away for a haunted week-end. I’ll give rental prices about each place, and information about ghosts they have and how best to deal with them. Believe it or not, there is etiquette for dealing with various kinds of ghosts.

Until then, Take Care,
Ayn Hunt who also writes as Ayn Amorelli
 
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Hi Big Gee - If I recall correctly, the 60's and 70's were the (sort of) 'peak time' for encounters with this ghost, so I wonder if some of the tales concerning the Mint might not have hailed from this general time also(?) Of course, I'd guess the ghost would probably not even get a mention in a general assessment of 'things to be afraid of' in that area of Birmnigham these days!!!???:D:D:D I was recently looking through a report of an investigation at (I think) Key Hill Cemetry and couldn't help noticing warnings re. the amount of disgarded syringes ling around the site!!! Egad!!!

Hiya Beryl - I know it states that this information comes from a non-fiction newsletter, but I've never heard such hysterically motivated drivel in my whole life!!:rolleyes::rolleyes: I don't know where these people get it all from, I really don't!!!

Regards,

Nick
www.westmidlandsghostclub.com
 
I wish i thought of this question
"Why hasn't there been a report/sighting of a ghost of a caveman?"
 
I wish i thought of this question
"Why hasn't there been a report/sighting of a ghost of a caveman?"

Very good question Tali...... I've only just this second been on another forum posting something up about (alleged) Roman ghosts and queried the fact that we don't ever seem to get sightings of other figures from around that era: i.e. apparitions of Saxons, Britons, etc??? If you look at the history of ghostlore, it's glaringly apparent that (the process of) paranormal experience would seems somewhat 'selective' in the sort of ghosts we're allowed to see? (A somewhat flippant statement, but it's meant to be!:D)

Regards,

Nick
www.westmidlandsghostclub.com
 
Nicholas your views please on a few other things that puzzle me.A lot of ghosts haunt the places they died- so how come hospital and hospice hauntings aren't significantly more common?
A lot of Poltergeist activity centres around pubescent girls and the angst and energy that these girls release - so why arn't Girls schools a hive of such activity?
Why is Poltergiest activity more likely in a Council house?
 
Hi Tali,

I've waffled on a lot about cultural motifs and social conditioning, etc, in the past re. ghosts and hauntings and a few of the things you've mentioned here in your questions certainly fall into these categories.

On the subject of people haunting the places they've died.... this train of thought certainly falls into the 'legendary haunting' category - i.e. there are a lot of ghost stories reporting such details, but if truth be told, seldom any evidence to prove such a theory (or most of the individual stories concerned).

If you listen to a lot of stories and / or (especially) researchers these days, you will find a heck of a lot of stories associated with hospices, old folks homes, hospitals, etc. However, I believe this boils down to the erroneous culture again, as - because people die in these places - there must, of course, be ghosts there. (Ghosts firstly being taken as 'granted' by many and, secondly, ghosts being presumed to be the spirits or remnants of dead people, etc) It's like when we're young, we think every graveyard has ghosts in it because they're full of dead people and so on....

Re. pubescent girls and poltergeists...... this is also a cultural motif which has no real basis of fact to it. What we're feeding off these days is a lot of erroneous bumf that someone (allegedly associated with paranormal research) has said somewhere along the lines; someone subsequently reads it and likes the idea of what they've read and repeats it and so on and so forth. Needless to say, none of these 'facts' are in any way proven - not even slightly 'solid' - but they get parroted along the line, throughout the years, without question and eventually accepted as fact.

Why poltergeist activity predominantly appears in 'council' or 'rented accommodation' is something that has puzzled me for many years now. What do you think on the subject Tali?

Regards,

Nick
www.westmidlandsghostclub.com
 
Nicholas - sadly i tend to have questions rather than answers!
As 'council' or 'rented accommodation' theory i cannot offer any logical explanation.I've heard explanations of such houses not being "emotionally settled" due to continual movement of tenants- but that doesn't convince me at all.Neither does the stress /trauma theory - it may play a part but a very small one - as millions of people suffer stress without experiencing Poltergeists .I believe the general consensus is that those who experience it are "psychically attuned" to Poltergeists?
 
Nicholas - sadly i tend to have questions rather than answers!
As 'council' or 'rented accommodation' theory i cannot offer any logical explanation.I've heard explanations of such houses not being "emotionally settled" due to continual movement of tenants- but that doesn't convince me at all.Neither does the stress /trauma theory - it may play a part but a very small one - as millions of people suffer stress without experiencing Poltergeists .I believe the general consensus is that those who experience it are "psychically attuned" to Poltergeists?

As do I Tali :D - as Maurice Grosse once said.... "The only person that will give you answers in this field is a charlatan".

Having said that - Maurice believed that 'stress' was a definite contributing factor in poltergeist cases - which I don't agree with at all. (You may as well say, 'breathing oxygen' is a contributing factor, hadn't you!?!?:D:D)

It's horrible to contemplate, but one of the key reasons suggested in the past for the 'polt. / council' equation is social class and the general 'intelligence levels' of the people you would find in such accommodation!!! (As a lifelong Council tenant, I don't know what to say on this matter, except for how truly 'offensive' such a suggestion is!!:boohoo::boohoo::boohoo:)

Regards,

Nick
www.westmidlandsghostclub.com
 
A new theory is that large amounts of Coffee consumption can cause ghost viewings - i would be worried if i was a teacher!:D
The lower intelligence theory, i agree with you is utter tosh - the sort of pompous generalised tosh the enigmatic Dr Chris French would come up with.
 
I'd read of the coffee research and thought how silly it seemed to make such a statement really, as the average human being is quite able to hallucinate without the need of any form of stimulant.......

Lower intelligence - no........ but I do believe that social status might have a bearing on the overall figures to be honest?

Regards,

Nick
www.westmidlandsghostclub.com
 
What about the countless paranormal/ghost sightings in varied locations outside of the "council /rented house scenario"- are they all witnessed by council tenants aswell i wonder ?
 
I think actual 'ghost sightings / experiences' are pretty much 'open' or 'across the board' with regards to class / social status..... though poltergeist cases do seem rather confined to rented accommodation, it would seem (for whatever reason?)

Regards,

Nick
www.westmidlandsghostclub.com
 
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