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BANNISTER, Mary and Martha

pjmburns said:
Re: directry entries
Seems to change after 1914 (which isn't online)
1915 has
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As Martha died in 1918 I wonder if she had become unwell and Charles took back the reins?
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I think there was some confusion over home addresses, business addresses and dual addresses, Janice. It appears that my brother was able to access hard copies of various local directories and did his best to interpret them. The moves are bewildering, over just a decade. My father's 1974 notes tell of the move from Summer Lane to bigger premises at 44 Snow Hill (1903), 20 Snow Hill (1911), Navigation Street (1914), and Prince of Wales Galleries, Broad Street (1917). The family itself moved their home in possibly 1912/13, out of Snow Hill to the cleaner air of Chessetts Wood/Knowle because of Martha's declining health. She died there in 1918.

(It was there that my father met my mother who was living in Knowle - another even more complicated family story, perhaps for another time!!!)

Chris
 
pjmburns said:
As there are no times I suppose the ship could have docked early hours of 2nd and marriage was the afternoon of the 3rd.
Wonder what the rush was?
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I am not sure what the rush was but I doubt one of those dates is correct unless the marriage certificate was pre filled. If they docked at 6.00am (which I did), went across town to Grand Central Terminal where the train was would take close to an hour in those days, now you are at 7.00am. The train was waiting add 12 hours (low side) for transport takes you to 7.00pm. Was the marriage conducted at the station :cool:.
 
Richard Dye said:
I am not sure what the rush was but I doubt one of those dates is correct unless the marriage certificate was pre filled. If they docked at 6.00am (which I did), went across town to Grand Central Terminal where the train was would take close to an hour in those days, now you are at 7.00am. The train was waiting add 12 hours (low side) for transport takes you to 7.00pm. Was the marriage conducted at the station :cool:.
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That would be 7pm on the 2nd, wouldn't it? The marriage was on the 3rd.
 
The more you think about it, the more possible it becomes, provided there was an early docking on the 2nd. Or an overnight train.

Whatever happened, poor old George Walter would have been a right old state before the formalities, trying desperately to meet his, probably self-inflicted, deadline! Assuming there was one - or did they just turn up and present themselves on the 3rd, immediately after arrival?

Chris
 
ChrisM said:
I think there was some confusion over home addresses, business addresses and dual addresses, Janice. It appears that my brother was able to access hard copies of various local directories and did his best to interpret them. The moves are bewildering, over just a decade. My father's 1974 notes tell of the move from Summer Lane to bigger premises at 44 Snow Hill (1903), 20 Snow Hill (1911), Navigation Street (1914), and Prince of Wales Galleries, Broad Street (1917). The family itself moved their home in possibly 1912/13, out of Snow Hill to the cleaner air of Chessetts Wood/Knowle because of Martha's declining health. She died there in 1918.

(It was there that my father met my mother who was living in Knowle - another even more complicated family story, perhaps for another time!!!)

Chris
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The directories do list some home addresses (usually under the man's name) but I only searched for businesses.
1900 directory only has the Summer Lane address
1901 census lists the family at 38 Summer Lane - so I assume used for both.

1905 and 1908 directory lists
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1911 census lists the famiy at 44 Snow Hill (so presumaby home and business).
1915 directory
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1919 eroll has Charles at 29 Broad Street
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1921 census seems to have Charles in Leamington
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pjmburns said:
Thought you might like to see this 1921 census return
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Thanks, Janice, again, great! They were only married in the January and so just crept into the 1921.

On Charles and Leamington, also 1921. Would you be kind enough to see whether there was a Mrs. Steadman, also in Leamington at the same time, please? There was quiet talk of an "association" of some sort between her and the widower, Charles. (I MAY even have an image of her). This may have endured and I might have to cling on until the 2031 to be certain (highly unlikely event, but there we are)! Thanks so much.

Chris
 
You may already know this Chris but it appears that the Bannister sisters had a younger brother, Joseph b1893 who died at the age of 2.
 
There is a family of Steadmans on the 1921. (I'll post the transcript as it is easier to read).
Address 32 Greathead Road Leamington
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MWS - thanks and no, I didn't know that and my brother didn't pick it up. The long awaited son and brother, no doubt doted on by parents and sisters during his short life and then lost. He had appeared five years after the youngest daughter, Louisa/Lou. You can imagine the grief.

Janice - interesting that. By 1940 Charles was in Handsworth, got bombed out late in the year, uninjured but badly affected by the exposure, then lived temporarily in digs near to us in Streetly, moved to be with his elder daughter in Kidderminster and died there before the year was out. In 1939 he seems to have been with his younger daughter - calling herself Geraldine at that stage but always Grace to us. In the thirties he was a weekly visitor to us for Sunday dinner - I remember bits of it quite well - and, according to my brother, afterwards always returned to Leamington via Snow Hill. So the Leamington sojourn was quite a long one.

The Station Road, Knowle information is especially interesting. My brother always had the suspicion that Charles had spent a bit of time there. Goodness knows why he was there! The picture of him which I posted earlier was outside one of the houses and I could even tell you the number of whichever one it was. But two or three doors up lived a family called Snook, the wife being born a Tovey and now bringing up her grand-daughter, my mother, there. (I think I mentioned that my mother had a complicated childhood). That house may even be in the background of the picture.

I don't know how long he had lived there but by 1921, as we have seen, my mother had already moved away and was married to Charles's son, Henry. Charles's presence, if he had arrived shortly after Martha's death nearby in 1918, may have been the reason for my parents' meeting each other; or he was there later because of the association with the nearby Snook family and especially their grand-daughter and his daughter-in-law, Elsie. Something else we don't know.....

I don't suppose the census gives us a house name or number? Because of previous delving, I know that row of houses quite intimately! And they are all still there.

Thanks to both. Here's the picture again we are talking about.

Chris

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chris see post 125 and 126 janice posted 2 1921 census both giving the addresses im not sure if its charles myers you are after on the 21

lyn
 
ChrisM said:
The 1921 Knowle address, please, if available.

(Will come back to Mrs Steadman later).

Chris
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See last post - it was 1920 eroll. By 1921 he was in Leamington but will look where the Snooks were.

Annoyingly it just says Station Road and there is no number :rolleyes:. Both on 1921 and 1911 census

According to Mr Snook's probate their house was called Salisbury House
 
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Below is a map of Old Hill from 1881. Underlined are some of the roads on which the Bannisters lived and as you can see just how close some of the mines were.

Cherry Orchard is the address given on a number of records for the family of Joseph & Mary including that on the burial for young Joseph. I can only assume it was one of the houses just above the words Cherry Orchard.

Below the map is a link to the larger map and also a link (hopefully) to the modern view of where the houses of Cherry Orchard were. As you can see it is now Bunker Woods but there is a path leading off Wright's Lane that appears to be just as would have been in 1881.

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