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Aston Parish Church WW1 Memorial

aston lad said:
Janice , do you think the P could be for Private ?
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On all the others the rank seems to be wrtten where there is a space by his name so I suppose it could be an error but not sure. Anyway even if is is just the L G he hasn't appeared so far in my searches. :rolleyes:
 
I have got L G P Yates on my Birmingham Roll of Honour, but not on my National Roll of Honour, but I do have a S G Yates private Worcestershire Regiment died 3rd May 1918 lived at 14 Allison Street
 
aston lad said:
Also I found a Arthur Edward Wilson Capt of the 14th Battalion Royal Warwickshire Regiment, died of pneumonia 03/12/1918, parents Edward and Fanny again I am unable to find a direct connect to Aston, unless he was stationed at the Witton barracks, this information is off the War List of the University of Cambridge via forces-war-records
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I have found him on the 1911 census listed as a Cambridge undergraduate living with Edward and Fanny in Edgbaston but his place of birth is given as Leicester.
Interesting he is buried at Brandwood
 
pjmburns said:
have found him on the 1911 census listed as a Cambridge undergraduate living with Edward and Fanny in Edgbaston but his place of birth is given as Leicester.
Interesting he is buried at Brandwood,
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I have viewed that census and the others and they say Leicestershire also, my guess is that he was based at the barracks behind the Villa ground.
 
Margo54 said:
Thank you for your kind reply, every way I turn with him, there doesn't seem to be any more information for him, family used to say Nan never talked about him much, but they didn't get much time together it seems.
I have this from a kind lady from another site, I think it refers to the pension, is this what you saw? Someone else told me that under the Name Walter Dobson it was crossed through and said 'see Edward Smith' Thank you Anyway, it's all very confusing isn't it. M.
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Not sure whether you have their marriage, but I noticed it has been transcribed incorrectly on Ancestry as Walte Thomas Woleson to Charlotte Bryant: I have corrected.

Walter Thomas Dobson age 30 (bachelor), Rivetter, 225 New Town Row, father; Robert Henry Dobson, Policeman, married Charlotte Bryant age 20 (spinster) 61 Ct, 4 House, New John Street West, father George Bryant, Paver, at St Edwards Church, Birmingham on 14th April 1914.

His pension card on Fold 3 states Edward Smith alias Walter Thomas Dobson. Cause of death is “shock following amputation of right thigh”.
His son is named as George dob 23 July 1914, wife Charlotte dob 8 July 1893.
 
pjmburns said:
I have found him on the 1911 census listed as a Cambridge undergraduate living with Edward and Fanny in Edgbaston but his place of birth is given as Leicester.
Interesting he is buried at Brandwood
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aston lad said:
I have viewed that census and the others and they say Leicestershire also, my guess is that he was based at the barracks behind the Villa ground.
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Hi John
He's been on my list as a 'possible' for ages, just can't find the link to Aston. He could have been at Aston Barracks, but I think he's the wrong batallion of RWR. He's not on the 8th Batallion list of war dead.
Ann
 
Alberta said:
Janice.
George Yates death 22nd October 1914 born Stourbridge, 2nd Bt Worcester Regiment. Ypes Menin Gate .
Leon George P Yates born Stourbridge 1883.
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Thanks Alberta. He was on my list for later today. Need to try to find an Aston link now.
 
Alberta said:
Janice.
George Yates death 22nd October 1914 born Stourbridge, 2nd Bt Worcester Regiment. Ypes Menin Gate .
Leon George P Yates born Stourbridge 1883.
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Thanks for this. Looks like he might be the right man, just need to find a link to Aston!
Ann
 
aston lad said:
Hi Ann, I have a couple more for you to ponder, H Lane is probably Harry Lane reg 10229, I know he is from Birmingham but cannot find out anymore detail than that, same as Henry Macdonald reg 1965, born Birmingham, lived in Leith Edinburgh parents Henry and Margaret, both of these lads are on my Birmingham Roll of Honour, Also I found a Arthur Edward Wilson Capt of the 14th Battalion Royal Warwickshire Regiment, died of pneumonia 03/12/1918, parents Edward and Fanny again I am unable to find a direct connect to Aston, unless he was stationed at the Witton barracks, this information is off the War List of the University of Cambridge via forces-war-records
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Again, thanks for this John. I will follow up on Lane and Macdonald.
Ann
 
Have found a marriage for Leon and also his widow in 1939 but address is Halesown. Still can't link to Aston.
Effects reg mentions widow Mary Ann which fits with the marriage in 1910 to Mary Ann Hewson (at Bromsgrove).
 
Just a quick note, The National Roll of Great Britain the Birmingham edition does not included men from the Aston area, I am not sure why,, The Roll of Honour for the hall of memory does but I wonder how many are missing from both rolls,
 
aston lad said:
Just a quick note, The National Roll of Great Britain the Birmingham edition does not included men from the Aston area, I am not sure why,, The Roll of Honour for the hall of memory does but I wonder how many are missing from both rolls,
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I think that is a commercial product by S&N and I think it has been around for some time.

I think the most comprehensive list of War Memorials is the Imperial War Museum's War Memorial Register, it is by no means complete (is anything!) and memorials and names are being added all the time - several dozen edits just so far today.

If you know any that are not on the WMR then send them photographs (good enough to be readable!) and a volunteer will transcribe. You will be asked to confirm you own the copyright on the image. It has been difficult over the last couple of years because so many churches and other buildings have been locked.

(I am a Remote Volunteer to the WMR).
 
pjmburns said:
Have found a marriage for Leon and also his widow in 1939 but address is Halesown. Still can't link to Aston.
Effects reg mentions widow Mary Ann which fits with the marriage in 1910 to Mary Ann Hewson (at Bromsgrove).
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Have found an Aston link, of sorts. His father George Mallen Yates is resident 223 Nechells Rd in 1883. He'd just married Laura (1882). Still digging.
 
pjmburns said:
Have found a marriage for Leon and also his widow in 1939 but address is Halesown. Still can't link to Aston.
Effects reg mentions widow Mary Ann which fits with the marriage in 1910 to Mary Ann Hewson (at Bromsgrove).
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On the pension record there is a son born 1910 Leon George william. Birth appears to be reg with mmn Jennings so assume perhaps Mary Ann was a widow when she married Leon - would need marriage cert to prove.
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1911 census has Leon George William Yates aged 6 mths with Mary Yates at 2 back of 86 Villa Street. Also has daughter with surname Jenkins (also reg mmn Jennings). Also Basil Yates brother in law his birth is reg with mmn Pratt which is the same as Leon snr both at Stourbridge.

Not sure about the surnames of Mary Ann - Hewson on marriage but everything else seems to fit.

Can't find Leon George P on 1911.
 
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Hi JMB, My National Roll of the Great War, Birmingham, is not from S & N, and it does not include the men, women and boys from the Aston area, I have checked dozens of names, but I was told this many years ago, I also have the Navel & Military Press, Soldiers died in the Great War 1914-19 on disc as well, quite a few of the men listed on here are missing from the Commonwealth War Graves, like I said earlier in this section no list will ever be 100% complete, but one can only search within the information available..The people missing from the Aston Church memorial are listed in a posting in this section, if you or one of the other volunteers can possibly find their details I with others would be very grateful.
 
Hi Ann, couple more for you to investigate...G Stakes, could be George Thomas Starkey R/16238, 3/15 Priory Road, and F Western, could be Stephen Western 67901, 842 Witton Road, I haven't checked any census's etc..
 
I think I have found R Richards, Richard Richards reg 3/3278 Son of Richard and Eliza Richards, of Birmingham living at 97 Aston Road in 1891 and husband of Mary Ellen Richards, of 5, Ashfield Rd. North, Ellesmere Port, Birkenhead. Just needs to be researched a little more.
 
pjmburns said:
Think I might have found him with the army on the IOW, again as George (not Leon) and listed as single. Bur age and place of birth are right.
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I think I'm a bit clearer after some further digging. To summarise:!
1911 census is Mary Yates, her daughter Elsie Jenkins (found them living in Lye, Worcs in 1901 census, Mary then married to Thomas Jenkins), with the son of Leon George (age 6mths) himself named Leon, and Basil Yates, the older Leon's brother. The census has a George Yates at barracks at Carrisbrook, Worcs Reg.
There are two pension record cards. The first for Leon George, has Leon crossed through, gives dependent as Elsie Jenkins - relationship 'unmarried wife with one child'. The second has Leon George, also with Leon crossed through (same reg number as the first card), widow Mary Ann and child Leon, but this states that Mary Ann is ineligible for the pension as she is separated from husband prior to mobilisation. Had Leon senior eloped with his daughter in law do you think?
 
Sorry, missed a point on the Yates thread! There is a marriage for a Mary Ann Jenkins to a Thomas Hewson in 1906, although it is Lichfield, He died in 1908, so if this is the marriage, Mary Ann Hewson would have been able to marry Leon Yates in 1909, as recorded.
 
aston lad said:
I think I have found R Richards, Richard Richards reg 3/3278 Son of Richard and Eliza Richards, of Birmingham living at 97 Aston Road in 1891 and husband of Mary Ellen Richards, of 5, Ashfield Rd. North, Ellesmere Port, Birkenhead. Just needs to be researched a little more.
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I'll get on the case! Just been sorting out the L G Yates (I hope)!!
 
AnnieH55 said:
I think I'm a bit clearer after some further digging. To summarise:!
1911 census is Mary Yates, her daughter Elsie Jenkins (found them living in Lye, Worcs in 1901 census, Mary then married to Thomas Jenkins), with the son of Leon George (age 6mths) himself named Leon, and Basil Yates, the older Leon's brother. The census has a George Yates at barracks at Carrisbrook, Worcs Reg.
There are two pension record cards. The first for Leon George, has Leon crossed through, gives dependent as Elsie Jenkins - relationship 'unmarried wife with one child'. The second has Leon George, also with Leon crossed through (same reg number as the first card), widow Mary Ann and child Leon, but this states that Mary Ann is ineligible for the pension as she is separated from husband prior to mobilisation. Had Leon senior eloped with his daughter in law do you think?
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You have added by seeing the pension records. Sounds as if he might have gone off with Elsie his stepdaughter.
Wonder who addd him to memorial?
AnnieH55 said:
Sorry, missed a point on the Yates thread! There is a marriage for a Mary Ann Jenkins to a Thomas Hewson in 1906, although it is Lichfield, He died in 1908, so if this is the marriage, Mary Ann Hewson would have been able to marry Leon Yates in 1909, as recorded.
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That explains the multiple surnames. I had to stop yesterday as I was getting confused.
 
aston lad said:
F Western, could be Stephen Western 67901, 842 Witton Road, I haven't checked any census's etc..
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S Western is on the Hall of Memory records and CWG site lists him as son of Mrs Sarah Western of 342 Witton Road Aston. On the Pension ledgers he is listed as leaving a widow Harriet and 4 children. Effects reg names his widow Harriet. 1901 census has the family at 390 witton Road. 1906 at his daughters baptism they are at back of 107 Park Lane.
 
pjmburns said:
S Western is on the Hall of Memory records and CWG site lists him as son of Mrs Sarah Western of 342 Witton Road Aston. On the Pension ledgers he is listed as leaving a widow Harriet and 4 children. Effects reg names his widow Harriet. 1901 census has the family at 390 witton Road. 1906 at his daughters baptism they are at back of 107 Park Lane.
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Hi John
Stephen is listed separately on the Memorial. I am really sorry, I should have put that F Western was a possible duplicate of S Western on my 'untraced' list - it just slipped through. Grovelling apologies! But you have picked up a 1906 address which I hadn't got, so I am going to change that as I had used the 1901 address.
Ann
 
Ann, No need to apologise, the amount of names we have put forward as possibilities have confused me, I cannot remember what names I have checked on the list cos I forgot to tick them off. I don't think we are doing to bad at the moment .
 
I think I may have found J Graseton , he may be Daniel Joseph Greasley reg 870, died 15/12/1915, born Aston 1890,
 
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