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Aston Parish Church WW1 Memorial
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pjmburns
master brummie
I haven't seen his service record. Will look in a moment.
Just confused by Tomalin/Tomlin.
The birth reg in Aston links to the family in Badby (mmn Noon) but the baptism links to a different family.
pjmburns
master brummie
Don't want to disappoint you but we have already found him
Aston Parish Church WW1 Memorial
Possible for J Barrett but I can't fnd an Aston link at the moment except Kendal Rpad seems to come under Aston on 1911 census. Hi there. Yes, I found him myself yesterday. The Aston connection is the marriage to his wife Doris, so he's already in the updated listing.
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pjmburns
master brummie
Found it - I was looking under his other number. Yes his Mother is ta Holly Grove and looks as if he was when he enlisted.
pjmburns
master brummie
Hard to keep track of what has been found.OOP'S....I didn't check to
Hi I'v just found this site, Im doing family tree on Heritage, a few months ago, I was looking for my Gt Grandad who was killed in WW1 in France, His Name was Walter Thomas Dobson b 1884 d.1915 Apparently there was a mass grave and memorial for those who could not be identified, therefore he had been listed as 'Edward Smith' this threw me into delving deeper and through a site 'Aston Brook through Aston Manor' a lot of users sent me replies as to why this would be the case. One theory was 'aliases' of Smith & Jones were given so as to get a pension to the Wife /Mother etc. of the deceased in the interim, until they could discover the real Names of the fallen. By cross referencing the pension that was sent to My gt Grandmother Charlotte Dobson (nee Bryant) it gave the 'alias' as Smith, then she had to change her pension into her 'real' name. Understandable I suppose, with all the trauma at that time. Walter was buried in Hazenbrouck in France. He was with the Warwickshire Regiment, went to war after they married in July 1913, My Mother's Father George Dobson was born in 1914, Walter saw him once in hospital, then never returned. Interestingly, I had an email a few days ago asking, if Walter lived in Aston in Birmingham, could I send more detail and they would add him to the 'role' of Soldiers at the
Hall of Memory in the City. So maybe that list could help some to find their loved one's. It might be worth a try.
I shall look forward to reading your emails again in the future, now I have access. Margaret x
Hall of Memory in the City. So maybe that list could help some to find their loved one's. It might be worth a try.
I shall look forward to reading your emails again in the future, now I have access. Margaret x
AnnieH55
master brummie
Hi there. This is a different Leonard Charles - he's still living in the 1939 census.
pjmburns
master brummie
Yes - realised that later but can't find anything except a birth in Aston for the other one.
Sorry for any confusion.
I just found it strange that there is an L C Tomlin on the memorial, an L C Tomlin definitely linked to Aston and an L C Tomalin with tenuous links.
Sorry for any confusion.
I just found it strange that there is an L C Tomlin on the memorial, an L C Tomlin definitely linked to Aston and an L C Tomalin with tenuous links.
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AnnieH55
master brummie
Yes, all a bit muddled isn't it! It is strange that the Badby Tomalin is the only one of the family born in Birmingham, so i am still wondering whether he was 'adopted' from another Tomalin in Aston. Frustrating not to find the link, but I am going to include him - someone out there might know and put us right!!
aston lad
master brummie
Margaret ...the only information I can find is ( Husband of Charlotte Dobson (formerly Smith), of 41450, New John St. West, Birmingham.) still under the name of Smith, roll number 9152, died 27/09/1915, I cannot find his service papers or his pension details either, the biggest we have is that hundreds of thousands of WW1 papers were destroyed either by fire or water during WW2 .
pjmburns
master brummie
Yes, all a bit muddled isn't it! It is strange that the Badby Tomalin is the only one of the family born in Birmingham, so i am still wondering whether he was 'adopted' from another Tomalin in Aston. Frustrating not to find the link, but I am going to include him - someone out there might know and put us right!!
I checked his Mother's maiden name and it was Noon - that fits the surname for the couple on the 1901 and 1911 censuses. John William Tomalin married Clara Noon in 1888 in Daventry.
AnnieH55
master brummie
Hi Everyone
Here's the list of names I haven't yet found, taking into account all of your responses and other work done since i posted this thread on 7 February. I've tried attaching it as a file, but the system doesn't appear to want to play ball, so here goes:
Here's the list of names I haven't yet found, taking into account all of your responses and other work done since i posted this thread on 7 February. I've tried attaching it as a file, but the system doesn't appear to want to play ball, so here goes:
Outstanding names Aston PC Memorial – 20 February 2022
Name | Comment |
| ADKINS F | |
| BALDWIN W A | Likely duplicate of W E |
| BATTEN P | |
| BLAKE R | |
| BREWSTER G W | Likely duplicate G D |
| BROOKES G | Already have G H Brookes. Five others suggested George William Brookes Royal Irish Fusiliers 7578585, Aston address, may include. George Brookes RWR 307486(9). George Brookes RWR 2376. George Brooks 200281 RWR. Cecil George Brooks Machine Gun Corps 26882, Saltley. |
| CLARKE T G | Might be a duplicate of S G |
| COLE A | Two suggested, can’t find Aston link. Alfred Cole 3182, Alfred Cole 8976 |
| COLEMAN G | Likely duplicate of G J or G W |
| CORRIGAN J | |
| DAVIES H H | |
| DOUGLAS W | |
| FLETCHER G | |
| FOSTER D | Might be duplicate of Richard Foster (Dick) |
| GRASETON J | |
| HOMER E G | |
| HOMER R | |
| HOTCHAM F | Possible duplicate of F HITCHMAN |
| HUTTON A | |
| JAY R | Suggested possible Robert RAY 68849. Investigating. |
| KENVILLE W | Likely duplicate of W Venville |
| KING E | |
| KIRBY W | Likley duplicate of W P |
| LANE H | |
| MACDONALD H | |
| MAULL T K | Likely duplicate of T H Maull |
| MOGG H J | Suggested J E Mogg 44074. Investigating. |
| MORRIS W | |
| MURRAY R A | |
| OSBOURNE T | Likely duplicate of T Osborne |
| PADGETT W | Likely duplicate of W Paget |
| PAXFORD C | |
| PIEECE A | Likely mis-spelling and duplicate of A PREECE |
| PIPER J P | |
| PRICE F W | Might be duplicate of J W |
| PRIER G | Might be duplicate of G PRICE |
| RICHARDS R | |
| RIDER A E | Likely duplicate of A E RYDER |
| SHEEREY J | Likely duplicate of J SHELLEY |
| STAKES G | |
| STATON F G | Likely duplicate of F G STATHAM |
| STEVENS F | Possible duplicate of F STEVENS (i.e. two entries) |
| TOMLIN A | Likely Albert Charles Tomlin 11688 – will include |
| TOMLIN L C | Likely Charles Leonard Tomalin 41472 – will include |
| TONKS J R | |
| TOWNSEND J E | |
| TRANTER E T | EA TRANTER 5960 suggested. Investigating. |
| VIGUS W H | Possibly H S Vigors 129885. Investigating. |
| WALLIS C | Might be duplicate of C WILLIS, but that not found either |
| WARNER C C | Likely duplicate of C E |
| WEBB S B J | Possibility suggested. Investigating. |
| WELLS F W | |
| WESTERN F | |
| WILLIAMSON C E | |
| WILLIS C | Might be duplicate of C WALLIS, but thatnot found either |
| WILLOCK W | Likley duplicate of C WHILLOCK |
| WILSON A E | Have possibility, but no Aston connection |
| YATES L G |
pjmburns
master brummie
After a lot of digging - John William Tomalin had an older brother Samuel. By 1881 he is married and living on Birmingham at 6 back of 85 Arthur Street. In 1911 he is at 2 back of 39 Gordon Street. No idea exactly where theses addresses are but listed as Aston on census.
AnnieH55
master brummie
Definitely our man. Soldiers in Great War file says he is resident Aston, so the final issue is what address to use. I've always used an address where I know the man has lived, so I'll just need to decide if to use the Catherine Street address.
Great work everyone, thank you.
AnnieH55
master brummie
Interesting! Great work! If nothing else, this Samuel Tomalin could easily have been the one that gave the name to the church. I will definitely include, but will leave address as unknown in Aston.
pjmburns
master brummie
The Catherine Street address is, as Aston Lad pointed out, the one on his service record
AnnieH55
master brummie
thank you. I had already noted my omission in acknowledging aston lad, and our posts crossed.
Thank you for your kind reply, every way I turn with him, there doesn't seem to be any more information for him, family used to say Nan never talked about him much, but they didn't get much time together it seems.
I have this from a kind lady from another site, I think it refers to the pension, is this what you saw? Someone else told me that under the Name Walter Dobson it was crossed through and said 'see Edward Smith' Thank you Anyway, it's all very confusing isn't it. M.
aston lad
master brummie
Margaret, Walter was born in Birmingham and lived in various address's around the Duddeston area, to confirm this you may need to purchase his wedding certificate and his birth certificate both will give you the address's to confirm that he was a Brummie, his parents were not they were from Derbyshire and Northamptonshire
He is buried at HAZEBROUK CEMETERY (11 G 16) this means Plot 11 row G grave 16.
The war graves certificate reads
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Private E Smith,
2nd Battalion Royal Warwickshire Regiment. died 27th September 1915
Service no. 9152
Remembered With Honour
Husband of Charlotte Dobson ,formerly Smith of 41450 (?) New john Street West, Birmingham
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Hazebrouk is about 30miles south of Calais.
The 2bn Warks fought in the battle of Loos 25th Sept 1915 to 8th oct 1915 and the British army lost 20,000 men many buried at Hazebrouk.
The war graves certificate reads
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Private E Smith,
2nd Battalion Royal Warwickshire Regiment. died 27th September 1915
Service no. 9152
Remembered With Honour
Husband of Charlotte Dobson ,formerly Smith of 41450 (?) New john Street West, Birmingham
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Hazebrouk is about 30miles south of Calais.
The 2bn Warks fought in the battle of Loos 25th Sept 1915 to 8th oct 1915 and the British army lost 20,000 men many buried at Hazebrouk.
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aston lad
master brummie
Hi Ann, I have a couple more for you to ponder, H Lane is probably Harry Lane reg 10229, I know he is from Birmingham but cannot find out anymore detail than that, same as Henry Macdonald reg 1965, born Birmingham, lived in Leith Edinburgh parents Henry and Margaret, both of these lads are on my Birmingham Roll of Honour, Also I found a Arthur Edward Wilson Capt of the 14th Battalion Royal Warwickshire Regiment, died of pneumonia 03/12/1918, parents Edward and Fanny again I am unable to find a direct connect to Aston, unless he was stationed at the Witton barracks, this information is off the War List of the University of Cambridge via forces-war-records
