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The Gothic - Great Hampton Street

Bill Boyd

master brummie
Despite having lived here for 12 years and with all the recent visits to the Gothic I noticed something new! Above the building next to the Gothic which was latterly Carols Cafe is some old “ghost sign” lettering. Really badly faded now but when I walked past yesterday evening I think I made out the word Gilders which is really ironic as the new development opposite me a little further up the Street is to be called Gilders Yard!
Gilders Yard development is another Blackswan Properties project.
 

brianthelion

master brummie
Gilders Yard development is another Blackswan Properties project.
It is indeed and as opposite me I had a fair bit of input into the planning stage and as far as it goes the end result should be ok. They are saving the bit worth saving and much better to have a development than a derelict factory which could have stayed that way for years. Still wondering when something will kick off on the empty plot next to St Paul's Metro stop.
 

Astoness

TRUE BRUMMIE MODERATOR
Staff member
totally agree with you brian..dont think i know of the plot at st pauls metro stop will try and find it on street view

lyn
 

brianthelion

master brummie
totally agree with you brian..dont think i know of the plot at st pauls metro stop will try and find it on street view

lyn
Big empty plot to left of entrance from constitution hill. Was originally going to follow on from my block when this was finished but that was the time of the last economic crash. Always said when that one starts again there must be some confidence around although I do worry there may be too many apartments soon. However all 3000 of those being built on the other side of the quarter are all presold but sadly it's all Chinese and Russian money. Suspect it's being laundered or squirrelled away by dubious characters from either country.
 

sospiri

Ex-pat Brummie
Brian,

We've had experience of both Chinese & Russian money here in Crete, and investors from both countries have had cashflow problems leaving the actual local constructors bereft of funds and unable to continue the development for several years until someone else steps in with cash. The Russian model is to sell off plan and to develop in several different countries simultaneously. Thus the money raised from pre-sales in one country was funding the development in another country. This is fine except that all the countries' developments are dependent upon financial stability in the other countries. If one has problems, it results in massive cashflow problems in the others too, the Russian investor's bankers pull their horns in, and all of a sudden everyone is left high and dry! Some one else will eventually take over the investment, in one case that took three years.

One massive Chinese development never got built. When the problems arose they merely said that if Greece built it, they would happily still manage it. If Greece had been able to build it, would they have involved China in the first place? Hopefully the developments near you will have no such problems.

Maurice
 

brianthelion

master brummie
Brian,

We've had experience of both Chinese & Russian money here in Crete, and investors from both countries have had cashflow problems leaving the actual local constructors bereft of funds and unable to continue the development for several years until someone else steps in with cash. The Russian model is to sell off plan and to develop in several different countries simultaneously. Thus the money raised from pre-sales in one country was funding the development in another country. This is fine except that all the countries' developments are dependent upon financial stability in the other countries. If one has problems, it results in massive cashflow problems in the others too, the Russian investor's bankers pull their horns in, and all of a sudden everyone is left high and dry! Some one else will eventually take over the investment, in one case that took three years.

One massive Chinese development never got built. When the problems arose they merely said that if Greece built it, they would happily still manage it. If Greece had been able to build it, would they have involved China in the first place? Hopefully the developments near you will have no such problems.

Maurice
Just a big pyramid scheme really!
 

sospiri

Ex-pat Brummie
Quite - no one has the money to fund all the developments at once, and I'm not particularly criticising these countries as I'm sure it happens everywhere. Just a shock for those doing the real work. Just glad that I'm retired! :)

Maurice
 

brianthelion

master brummie
Quite - no one has the money to fund all the developments at once, and I'm not particularly criticising these countries as I'm sure it happens everywhere. Just a shock for those doing the real work. Just glad that I'm retired! :)

Maurice
Ditto!
 

brianthelion

master brummie
83CF0CF2-7297-4E46-96CD-21B07FC57E1D.jpeg 1732529E-3403-4966-8704-D5F725DD6494.jpeg And finally as I wandered around I went by a City Council regeneration project and took the chance of an open door to pinch a pic of the staircase tiling!
 

sospiri

Ex-pat Brummie
You can't win - create a rumpus and it will mysteriously go up in flames one night. Just a reflection on what a state most cities have got into nowadays.

Maurice
 

Astonian

gone but not forgotten
Hi Guys
Dont forget if anybody remembers that many years ago there was a YMCA for single men more or less across the road from the Gothic and it covered the corner and aboth claytons music shop , thats why i think they moved out because of the down and out of druggs and trouble within them above the police was regular visiteors there and it wasb taken over by a one time organised housing associationby the name of shape whom own houses all over birmingham they was at the bottom of bradford street plus i do not know whether or not as i left brum years ago across from there as well was the sally army hostil had new build for the accomodation whether its still there i do not know and giving the vast number of homeless familys and homeless people it could be an accomdation building regarding if its a listed building after all it does not mean they will demolish it does it really i cannot see it being turned into a hotel and may i had guys just look at the kingedward pub lichfield road we was toldits a listed building but they demoed that plus the fact other listed building have been bulldozed down before now and on the subject i can recall that pub from the fifties and i remember it closed down for a while and then there was an asian family took it over and painted it a deeper pink it was horrible and the regulars stopped using it and closed down for years and it was painted from the top of the building down to the low ground obvisiouly some was painted in white three parts down to make it pleasant enough
 

brianthelion

master brummie
thanks brian..really hope this building at no 190 gt hampton row will survive the crushers as it used to be a pub...had a quick look at the plans and i cant see it ear marked for demo...lyn

https://www.google.com/maps/@52.489...4!1s64_JHx3DGMaRpPdpZASf4A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I think 192 next door is the limit of the site and the demolition. However once things get going development tends to spread. Not sure if 190 has any kind of listing. Opposite me the development has been pretty well stopped for several weeks. No one will speak to me but the rumour is everyone is just about off site due to discovery of more asbestos within the old factory offices. I could have told them but hey they knew better!

PS can’t see anything wrong with the planning app. Not sure who they will get to stay in a boutique hotel without car parking though!
 

Astoness

TRUE BRUMMIE MODERATOR
Staff member
hi brian..you would think they would have known that with buildings of that age asbestos could still be lurking....re 190 gt hampton row i could be wrong but i think its georgian so could be listed but i do not know for certain...if you get close up to it as i have done you can just see bits of the dark green pub tiles behind the nightingale signage and i have been told that the name of the pub is still intact behind it but again no proof...must keep an eye on this one now..ps agree with you about not having a car park

lyn
 
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brianthelion

master brummie
hi brian..you would think they would have known that with buildings of that age asbestos could still be lurking....re 190 gt hampton row i could be wrong but i think its georgian so could be listed but i do not know for certain...if you get close up to it as i have done you can just see bits of the dark green pub tiles behind the nightingale signage and i have been told that the name of the pub is still intact but again no proof...must keep an eye on this one now..ps agree with you about not having a car park

lyn
I’ll go take a close look at 190 next week. They have removed one lot of asbestos early on as I joked with site manager that they wrapped the building and the contractors wore hazchem suits and masks as I watched from my balcony opposite!
 

Astoness

TRUE BRUMMIE MODERATOR
Staff member
ok thanks brian i cant get down at the moment but i do have photos on file that i have taken of nightingales in the past...got some funny looks from the owners as well...you are lucky to have a good vantage point...the whole of that area is certainly changing now..

lyn
 
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