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Midland Red Early Days

Lloyd

master brummie
The single decker is an S6 type, registrations HHA 601-700, new 1946. Not an accident I'd heard of, either.
7th of May 1949 was a Friday, (also the death day at 55 of Robert L Ripley, of Ripley's "Believe it or not").
 
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Stitcher

Guest
Image (5).jpgI have a bad feeling that I have posted this before but I can not find it anywhere. It is a 'horse bus entering Paradise Street from Easy Row about 1910. It says that the BMMO was was formed in 1904 and after an unsuccessful trial over three years using motor buses they reverted to horse buses and carried on with them until1912 when a reliable electric-petrol bus was introduced.
 

Lloyd

master brummie
Not a picture I've seen before Stitcher, it places the Canal offices position relative to Broad Street for me.
Yes those facts about reverting to horse buses is correct other than the date which was 1907, only a few had been replaced anyway as the motor operation was just experimental.
The best motors were subsequently moved down to Deal in Kent, where BMMO started a subsidiary company called Deal & District, which subsequently became (after amalgamation with other companies down there) the East Kent Road Car Company.
 
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Rupert

master brummie
Have not seen that before. Always amazed how the passengers seemed to ride on top with abandon. Looks a bit too tippy for me. Hard to imagine how many horses must have been around in those days.
 
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Stitcher

Guest
Because everything was much slower in those days. accidents as we know them would have been non-existant I suppose Rupert, but as you say those horse buses do look very unstable.
 

DavidGrain

master brummie
Some time ago I posted on this thread a comment about Liyell Ltd a bus operator trading under the "Midland" name with allover red livery. It has just been announced that the company with its 61 vehicle fleet has been taken over by Arriva Midlands
 

Lloyd

master brummie
...and I thought that was going to be the former Midland Red Kidderminster and Redditch areas, which Firstgroup wants to dump, er...sell.
 
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Stitcher

Guest
ccc.jpeg-----ccc2.jpeg I do not have a date for these.
I know that there is/was a couple of pics of gas powered buses somewhere so I hope these are different.
 

DavidGrain

master brummie
Further to my earlier post about Arriva taking over Liyell trading as "Midlnad"

[h=1]OFT examines Arriva takeover[/h]
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The Office of Fair Trading is examining the take over by Arriva of Liyell of Wednesfield, which trades as Midland. It is asking “whether this acquisition has resulted in the creation of a relevant merger situation under the merger provisions of the Enterprise Act 2002 and, if so, whether the creation of that situation has resulted, or may be expected to result, in a substantial lessening of competition within any market or markets in the United Kingdom for goods or services.”

Midland operates 60 buses and has 110 employees. The takeover was announced by Arriva in August. Arriva has in the meantime given undertakings to the OFT that it will not make any changes to the Midland business, nor will it make any move to integrate it with its own Arriva Midlands operation. Comments on the takeover have to be made to the OFT by 18 October.
 

BrianDicks

proper brummie kid
George John Rackham, b. 10th August 1885 at Shropham, Norfolk.
d.4th q. 1974 Chiltern.
See below for more on Rackham.
Lloyd/Thycaline. Chaps, there is a Midland Red connection actually, going back to 1906 Rackham joined Vanguard as a 21 year old draughtsman. At that particular moment in time, the Vanguard backers were in fact, the same Birmingham chaps who had started BME/BMMO and the pre-BET "chief engineer" of BME/BMMO, George Pollard, was by now chief engineer at Vanguard.
 

horsencart

master brummie
I do not know if anyone has noticed this before and that is that the photo on page 13 of Malcolm Keeley,s book Midland Red Bus Garage of the Birmingham General Omnibus Dept, Taunton Road Brum still exists have a look at Google Earth, the chimney brest appears to me the same that plus I have plotted the building with the Kelly's Directory's if so then does this make it a contender for the oldest transport related building in Brum still standing ? the earliest I have traced this building back to is 1899
 

Lloyd

master brummie
I assume you refer only to road transport, as many canal and railway structures far predate horse bus and tramway properties.
Witton Tram Depot, originally a steam tram depot was built in 1882.
Silver Street (Kings Heath) steam tram depot (now International Stock) was built 1887.
The Farmfoods shop at Coventry Rd/Yardley Rd jcn (formerly Staples, and earlier a car showroom) was also a steam tram depot from the same era.
 

horsencart

master brummie
This is what the place looks like now https://www.flickr.com/photos/dofartshavelumps/9220389475/

I do not know if anyone has noticed this before and that is that the photo on page 13 of Malcolm Keeley,s book Midland Red Bus Garage of the Birmingham General Omnibus Dept, Taunton Road Brum still exists have a look at Google Earth, the chimney brest appears to me the same that plus I have plotted the building with the Kelly's Directory's if so then does this make it a contender for the oldest transport related building in Brum still standing ? the earliest I have traced this building back to is 1899
 

Vivienne14

Super Moderator
Staff member
Thanks David. I like the outfit of the man posing in front of the bus, looks like suitable driving clothes. Viv.
 

DavidGrain

master brummie
That was probably the conductor. Before 1944 the drivers and conductors wore different uniforms as they reported to two different managers who reportedly were not on speaking terms with each other.
 

Lloyd

master brummie
The man standing by the bus is either a driver, or an engineer foreman, by the riding boots which they would wear. Conductors would usually wear more normal footwear.
David is right, the divers were employed by the engineering department under Loftus George Wyndham-Shire, whilst conductors were traffic dept men under Orlando Cecil Power. The two had a BIG falling out just before WW1, which was never resolved even when Shire retired in 1940.
The bus is brand new in the photo, it hasn't even had the lifguard rails fitted between front & rear wheels.
The location isn't known to me, but it could be just before delivery from the Tilling Stevens factory in Maidstone, Kent. It certainly isn't the stables at Bearwood, or the 'motor garage' in Tennant St, Ladywood.
 

DavidGrain

master brummie
On Saturday 21st September there will be a local history exhibition in St Mary's Church Hall, Bearwood Road/St Mary's Road. According to the information I have there will be some exhibits relevant to the Midland Red. Don't have any more details.
 
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