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Lichfield Street, Birmingham

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sylviasayers

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I have found my g.g. grandfather and family on the 1841 census living in Lichfield STREET, Borough and Parish of Birmingham, occ. Victualler, could anyone tell me if Lichfield Street was the previous name of Lichfield ROAD, and does anyone know the names of any pubs, my g.g. grandfather's name was John Raybould, I have now found him on the 1841, 1851, 1861 and 1871 census' and have the names of a few of the pubs he kept.
 
this is 1845 it says lichfield street is birmingham 7 it lists the names of pubs do you have a name
 
79 1/2 Lichfield Street John Raybold Rose and Crown and it's just below Newton street so that would make city centre
 
My family lived in Lichfield Street from about 1820 at number 45 mostly until it was demolished.
Lichfield Street no longer exists; it used to lead east from The Old Square (where Lewis’s used to be) and led down to Gosta Green, It demolished around 1883 as part of slum clearance when Corporation Street was built. According to William Hutton, the first Birmingham historian, it was built between 1700 and 1731. The Birmingham Parish Workhouse founded 1734 was in Lichfield Street, roughly where the Victoria Law Courts now stand.
You can see it on this map. The second picture is the Farriers Arms in the street and the third is Lichfield Street shortly before it was demolished

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The Old Farriers Arms in Lichfield St early 1800s.jpglichfieldst_just before demolition.jpg
 
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Michael, thank you so much for posting these photos, on the 3rd photo I'm pretty certain is the Rose & Crown pub which my g.g. grandfather kept as on the ornate lamp is an engraving of a rose and crown, wow what a find, may I ask where you obtained the original photo from? I was also interested in the street map, as it showed St. Peter's Church, Dale End, where a number of my ancestors were married/christened, it also shows Staniforth Street where another branch of my family lived.
 
The map is from 'Upton, Chris: A History of Birmingahm, publishd by Phillimore, 1993. I will have to look through my library to find the picture of the Rose and Crown.
 
this picture is later than when John Raybold lived in Lichfield street if you look at the number of two doors away it is 103 and in 1845 he lived at 79 i/2 Lichfield street sorry to dissapoint you Sylvia I do believe the it is the Rose and Crown as in 1878 the Rose and Crown was at 104 Lichfield street I will check out the 1858 later, in 1845 they were all courts in Lichfield street this photograph looks like the houses are about to be demolished more research is required on this street
 
love those pics and it's so important to preserve them because if we want to give future generations an interest in their past then the old saying is so true
"One picture is worth a thousand words" ;)
 
John - Do you think the numbers in Lichfield Street could have changed over the years? I know in other streets I've researched some renumbering has taken place.

Jerry - how I agree with your sentiments.
 
YES IN 1845 THEY WERE COURTS LATER THE COURTS HAD GONE THE PICTURE CLARIFIES THAT AS THE ROSE AND CROWN WAS TWO DOORS AWAY FROM 103
 
Thanks John for clarifying the position. I feel very lucky that you have helped me and that Michael found the photo of the actual pub my g.g. grandad kept in 1841 to at least 1845, I really would not have known a photo existed. I have one problem now - how do I make a hard copy of the photo to keep with my records?
 
right click on photograph and save as ? what ever program you use for your photographs ( do you have photo software installed) if not it can be done by and sent on to you as a hard copy
 
John, I am not very computer literate and don't think I have a facility to do a hard copy, if you can do one for me and the map I would be very grateful and would pay any costs involved.
 
does your printer work in conjunction with your computer if so right click and click on print
 
I've remembered where the othe photo came from (the one with 103 Lichfield Street) 'Birmingham - The Making of the Second City 1850 - 1939, by Eric Hopkins, published by Tempus 2001
 
John, I managed to get a picture of Lichfield Street, but not the pub as I think the picture was too large - any suggestions on what to do next?

Michael, I have made a note of the book and will try and get a copy.
Many thanks to you both for your help.
 
I hope you dont mind me restarting this thread. Is anyone able to tell me what pub was at 14Lichfield street in 1851, my 3xgrandfather was a retail brewer at that time on the census (Richard Hinton) which was surprising as he was a brassfounder by trade.

Mand
 
I think you have the wrong Richard Hinton. the brassfounder is at Warwickshire > Aston > Duddeston > District 25 > Image 3 at 214 Lawley St.
(Ref HO 107 2061)
mike
 
Hi Mike,

Thats Richard and Mary Ann Snr, Caroline Oldbury is Richard Jnrs sister. To make life easier for their descendants, it seems that most of my distant relatives married women with the same name as their mothers!

Mand
 
Hi Mand
Sorry about that. Have had a look at lichfield road, and it is complicated. The directories give different numberings (where occupants are the same between 1849 and 1855. However, by comparing the census with them it seems that in 1849 the house . By 1855 it had changed to no 22 and was listed as a beer retailer run by joseph wilkes. It is not listed in 1858, but in 1862 it is given as john Smallwood, retail brewer. It seems to disappear then, but by 1880 it is a tool brokers. The 1861 census lists it as unoccupied. Beer retailer often just meant off-licence, so it could have just been this, though retail brewer in 1862 seems more like a publican .
mike
 
Sorry Mike, I'm really grateful for all the hard work you have put in, but your post says Lichfield Road, not Lichfield Street, is that just a typo?

it seems that at that time, people may have been listed as a retail brewer but had other trades as well, i.e, brass founder, jeweller, would running a pub be side line?

Mand
 
Sorry again. Yes it was a typo. Have corrected it in the original.you are right , it was common to have several occupations if one was in the licensed trade. Occasionally it was actually listed in the directory ( I seem to remember retail brewer and ironmaster at one place, but cannot quite place where). Often "the wife" would run the pub while the official licence holder went about his other occupation. This comes out best in some of the census returns.
Mike
 
Hi, my 4x g. grandfather Samuel Rowley was living on Lichfield Street between 1820 and 1825, according to the baptismal records of his children. It seems in 1825/6 the family moved to Lench Street, where he died in 1838.
Could anyone let me know what the local parish church was? The children were all christened at St Phillips, but I don't think they were buried there.
 
Thanks very much! I had absolutely no idea they lived where Corporation Street now stands! The number of times I've walked up there!
 
Can you please tell me if these three thumbnails are still available ? I just cannot get them to activate.

Many Thanks for your contributions.

John Chambers
 
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