Thanks Gerald, bit before my time referance collecting hay from Hodge Hill Common, i have asked this before but do you remember a Wood Merchants on the land now occupied by Hodge Hill court ¿ over the road from The Hunters ¿, i must of only been 8 or 10 years old when these flats were built. Also there were Police flats just up from Chipperfield Road next door to the old Dr Chitins surgery, but can´t remember ever a police station being in the area, in those days the nearest Police Station would of been Erdington, Acocks Green