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Ford Family Garrison Lane.
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The Crumpton family is for the future MSW but your comment sounds promising. With regard to the Ford Family in Garrison Lane are you able to indicate where No 81 is situated?
I have spent fascinating time reading about the Brickworks in the Garrison Lane area this morning as brickworker was mentioned in census extract for No 81.
Tinpot, I have found Emma and her family in 1939 - have just noticed Janice also found this address on the electoral roll. I believe the house still stands and had been built on a greenfield site, it would appear from the e-roll in the 1920s. The 1939 ID card register was taken at speed so that everyone was recorded and issued with a national ID card as war broke out. The 1941 census had to be abandoned because of the war. It is remarkable what a government can achieve in an emergency! It is not the same as the census. It does give dates of birth but not relationships. People blacked out means they may still be young enough to be living. When female occupants have another name inked in it gives an indication of their eventual married surname, so it is possible to go on to find out who they married and when.
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Thanks Susan I realise that people may be still living so won't go any further on that trail here. Interestingly Samuel Snr is brickworker.
Looking on Google maps Streetview there appear to be almost no original buildings in Garrison Lane apart from a couple of pubs and schools. Google maps has a stab at estimating where it is today, if you type in the address but the numbering pattern may bear no relation to the original. As a marker, The Garrison pub (made famous in TV's Peaky Blinders) is at number 110 which I guess is original. If someone has an old OS map of Birmingham it may show number 81.
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Everything below 101 seems to disappear sometime between 1905 & 1915, replaced by Callowfield Recreation Ground. This map is from 1889...
The red square is The Acorn which was number 119, the house on the other corner of Barwell Road is 115.
Behind the house marked by the green cross is court no 7. On the 1891 census the first house listed after court no 7 is number 71. Between 71 & 115 no (odd) numbers are missing. So number 81 is somewhere between the 2 but not sure which and counting back from 115 doesn't seem quite right.
I know this house well. Municipal housing. Bathroom off the kitchen with a copper in the corner. A wooden dolly and a washboard. Outdoor toilet with a view over Starbank school. A wind up cabinet record player in the corner of the living room. Toasting bread with a toasting fork over a coal fire.
Sounds like happy days Tinpot.
Looking for a web site with lots of old O/S maps; these don't show house numbers but it is fascinating to see Garrison Lane at various times (search Garrison Lane Birmingham on the home page). This 1890 map in particular shows the huge proliferation of brickworks in the area probably set up to deal with the massive house building boom in Victorian times. You can see the Garrison pub on the corner of Witton street and the school which is still there. It looks like Garrison farm sold off most of their land to brickwork owners.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/115633320
On the 1891 census when your grandfather was 3 months old (so probably born in the house) the family were living at 462 Garrison Lane.
If you search for old pictures of Garrison Lane, you may get an idea of what it was like.
Looking for a web site with lots of old O/S maps; these don't show house numbers but it is fascinating to see Garrison Lane at various times (search Garrison Lane Birmingham on the home page). This 1890 map in particular shows the huge proliferation of brickworks in the area probably set up to deal with the massive house building boom in Victorian times. You can see the Garrison pub on the corner of Witton street and the school which is still there. It looks like Garrison farm sold off most of their land to brickwork owners.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/115633320
On the 1891 census when your grandfather was 3 months old (so probably born in the house) the family were living at 462 Garrison Lane.
If you search for old pictures of Garrison Lane, you may get an idea of what it was like.
I think I was wearing rose tinted spectacles when I wrote that Susan! Thanks for the map link. Tinpot
I have found on-line a little bit about the history of Garrison Lane.
'Garrison Farm - The name of this farm north of Venetia Road and Tilton Road in Bordesley is recalled in Garrison Lane. It supposedly took its name after the Civil War when Prince Rupert's Royalist troops made camp here in 1643, though there is no evidence for this.
In the second half of the 19th century and into the 20th Garrison Farm brickworks was one of many such works in this area using clay which was dug on site. An extensive series of clay pits and brick works stretched from here eastwards along the south of the Birmingham-London Railway as far as Bordesley Green Road leaving an area of dereliction which has still not been completely cleared to the present day.
Birmingham Wheels adventure park was constructed in the late 1970s on the site of the claypits and brickworks, the former site of Garrison Farm. A variety of sports are provided for here including various sorts of biking, skateboarding, skating, go-karting and stock car racing'.
William Dargue 05.03.2009/ 02.08.2010
'Garrison Farm - The name of this farm north of Venetia Road and Tilton Road in Bordesley is recalled in Garrison Lane. It supposedly took its name after the Civil War when Prince Rupert's Royalist troops made camp here in 1643, though there is no evidence for this.
In the second half of the 19th century and into the 20th Garrison Farm brickworks was one of many such works in this area using clay which was dug on site. An extensive series of clay pits and brick works stretched from here eastwards along the south of the Birmingham-London Railway as far as Bordesley Green Road leaving an area of dereliction which has still not been completely cleared to the present day.
Birmingham Wheels adventure park was constructed in the late 1970s on the site of the claypits and brickworks, the former site of Garrison Farm. A variety of sports are provided for here including various sorts of biking, skateboarding, skating, go-karting and stock car racing'.
William Dargue 05.03.2009/ 02.08.2010
Did all of the 'streets' become Lanes because in 1881 my husbands Gt/grandfather Benjamin H Butler is living with his mother Mary at Garrison Farm, Garrison Street, the next census entry is in Green Street.
I think this must be Garrison lane as the Description of Enumerators area on page one of the census entry is Garrison Street and mentions Railway arch and Brickyard, then Green Street.
I think this must be Garrison lane as the Description of Enumerators area on page one of the census entry is Garrison Street and mentions Railway arch and Brickyard, then Green Street.
Very interesting. Was the farmhouse demolished to make way for the brickworks do you know, Alberta?
I have read a very informative blog yesterday about the brickworks in this area and how before mechanisation brickworking was a summer occupation and that in the rest of the year they might spend as brewers/maltsters/ coal deliverers or might run an alehouse. Interesting details of businesses and families involved. It's on uknamedbricks.blogspot.com Monday,12th March 2018.
Titled Birmingham Brickworks Part I
Sorry I haven't worked out how to put a link on here yet ! Tinpot
Titled Birmingham Brickworks Part I
Sorry I haven't worked out how to put a link on here yet ! Tinpot
Regarding the stories about 'peaky blinders' and to give you an idea how dangerous Garrison Lane might have been (i.e. young thugs in the area were said to have attached razer blades to the underneath of their peaked caps and if they took against you would try to blind you with them). My cousin's husband who is in his 90s, told me that when he was a boy, his father warned him never to walk down that road (1920s/30s) because of the peaky blinders. Apologies to former residents. You may tell a different story. I did try to watch one episode of the TV series but was so put off by the Manchester location and London accents of the Birmingham characters, I gave up in disgust after a few minutes.
Sorry you didn't like Peaky, Susan, everyone on here will tell you I adored it and am in love with Thomas Shelby.lol.
My late father in law who was born in the area 112 years ago told us that the stories of razors in the caps were untrue but he was said it was always a good idea to stay away from the Garrison pub.
I don't know if the Farm was demolished, in the 1891 Benjamin is in Smith street which I believe was somewhere near rocky Lane Nechells.
My late father in law who was born in the area 112 years ago told us that the stories of razors in the caps were untrue but he was said it was always a good idea to stay away from the Garrison pub.
I don't know if the Farm was demolished, in the 1891 Benjamin is in Smith street which I believe was somewhere near rocky Lane Nechells.
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I live in a rural area. On the older maps brick kilns were situated on many farms here. Possibly Benjamin's father and even mother were making bricks at Garrison Farm. Later brick building then became more financially viable than farming and the extraction of clay became more extensive. Tinpot
Just to go back to this ID record 1939 that you found for me Susan. In relation to the Mary Ford entry. Do the red and green additions in the left hand column identify changes in circumstances for Mary? And could Tomalin refer to a second marriage change of name? Tinpot
I don't know so I bow to Astoness's superior knowledge. As we know, Mary married Yorke in in 1942. I have found a marriage of a Mary Ann Yorke to an Ian A Tomlin in 1975. Not sure if they are the right ones. I don't know what the dates in red indicate. Could her first husband have died in the war I wonder. Did you know her Tinpot?
Have since looked on Rootschat for an explanation on the additions. It is not conclusive but the register appeared to have been used firstly to identify people who could potentially be called up (and those that couldn't), secondly issue ration books then later after the war when the NHS was set up to provide a register of users. The NHS kept it up to date manually to take account of new birth's, deaths and marriages of women and provided the NHS number until 1990.
Have since looked on Rootschat for an explanation on the additions. It is not conclusive but the register appeared to have been used firstly to identify people who could potentially be called up (and those that couldn't), secondly issue ration books then later after the war when the NHS was set up to provide a register of users. The NHS kept it up to date manually to take account of new birth's, deaths and marriages of women and provided the NHS number until 1990.
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oh susan please dont do that i am always learning and always happy to be corrected
Susan given the point which both you and MSW make about reliability residency on certificates I wondered if the 1911 census might identify other members of the Ford or Crumpton families at the two addresses on Arthur st. Possibly Benjamin Crumpton.Tinpot
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