Richard Dye
master brummie
I agree with oldMohawk although MS advises they will no longer support W10 after 2025. While I have used Outlook since the mid 90's I have never received any support from MS that they did not want an arm and a leg for!
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Windows 10
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mw0njm.
A Brummie Dude
my ps went weird yesterday. it come up showing firefox help and other straing things every time i pressed a key. i try'd every thing. even reloading windows but no it was still doing it after a while i gave up and got the other pc out. when i set it up arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr the prob was still there. it was a keyboard problem. i fitted a new one and bobs your uncle good as new again
Eric Gibson
master brummie
Not sure about that OM, if it does as it says it could be useful. post a picture of some obscure garden plant and it will identify it...................well maybe.
richardinwales
master brummie
Until they drop support for W10 no, there is no major need to upgrade. If your machine is newish you can upgrade for free now, just type check for updates in the search box and you'll get a message saying if your machine is capable of running Windows 11 which is what I've done on three machines at home just because I could and not because there was any real need to go to W11. It upgrades you online, its painless, go make a pot of tea and its done when your finished dunking hob nobs.
It looks a bit crisper but really when you open your programmes they look the same. In nutshell, if I had a machine I was happy with that could not run W11 I'd not scrap the machine.
oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
My Logitech webcam on Windows 11 suddenly stopped working showing a blank white screen. No software adjustment or driver update would correct it so it looked like a hardwear fault.
A Google search advised me to dismantle the camera and slacken two screws which fix the circuit board to the camera case. As I slackened the screws the image reappeared.
I've left the screws slackened, reassembled the camera and all is good ...
Strange fault ... strange cure ...
A Google search advised me to dismantle the camera and slacken two screws which fix the circuit board to the camera case. As I slackened the screws the image reappeared.
I've left the screws slackened, reassembled the camera and all is good ...
Strange fault ... strange cure ...
Richard Dye
master brummie
FYI, if the manufactured date of your machine is within 4 years you should be upgradable. If you want to.
richardinwales
master brummie
Yep, your quite right.
There are ways around the block if you really want to do it, I potch about with technology so installed W11 on older machines I had kicking around at home and it not hard but that was for fun on a stormy afternoon
My latest 'potch about' with (older) technology, 1949 2 pint paraffin pressure stove made by Monitor in Birmingham. Un-used I just replaced a rubber gasket on the filler tank and off she went
Richard Dye
master brummie
I had one of those stoves when I was about 9 or 10 and used to light it because I could!Yep, your quite right.
There are ways around the block if you really want to do it, I potch about with technology so installed W11 on older machines I had kicking around at home and it not hard but that was for fun on a stormy afternoon
My latest 'potch about' with (older) technology, 1949 2 pint paraffin pressure stove made by Monitor in Birmingham. Un-used I just replaced a rubber gasket on the filler tank and off she went
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richardinwales
master brummie
I've got some over 100 years old and they work, the technology is so simple and 10,000 BTU/3Kw they cook well.
Back on track, I've got an old AMD X4 620 PC base unit coming to me so let see if I can get W11 installed and working on this machine from about 2007 I'm told...give me something to do later this week.
Back on track, I've got an old AMD X4 620 PC base unit coming to me so let see if I can get W11 installed and working on this machine from about 2007 I'm told...give me something to do later this week.
oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
I have Windows 11 in my Dell laptop and Acer desktop and realise that I run them just like I used to run Windows 7 some 10 years ago.
My screen background has a pretty pic with the recycle bin shortcut top left.
I have a taskbar at the bottom with the apps I use all the time.
On the Start I have apps and folders I don't use all the time.
Microsoft are probably disappointed with me because I don't use their new 'Widgets', or their Windows Search, or their Photos App. I continue to use Chrome rather than Edge and Google search rather than Bing. All the 'bloatware' which came with Windows 11 was deleted ...
but it presently runs trouble free so I'm happy ...
My screen background has a pretty pic with the recycle bin shortcut top left.
I have a taskbar at the bottom with the apps I use all the time.
On the Start I have apps and folders I don't use all the time.
Microsoft are probably disappointed with me because I don't use their new 'Widgets', or their Windows Search, or their Photos App. I continue to use Chrome rather than Edge and Google search rather than Bing. All the 'bloatware' which came with Windows 11 was deleted ...
but it presently runs trouble free so I'm happy ...
Did you use a bloatware script to clean windows 11?I have Windows 11 in my Dell laptop and Acer desktop and realise that I run them just like I used to run Windows 7 some 10 years ago.
My screen background has a pretty pic with the recycle bin shortcut top left.
I have a taskbar at the bottom with the apps I use all the time.
On the Start I have apps and folders I don't use all the time.
Microsoft are probably disappointed with me because I don't use their new 'Widgets', or their Windows Search, or their Photos App. I continue to use Chrome rather than Edge and Google search rather than Bing. All the 'bloatware' which came with Windows 11 was deleted ...
but it presently runs trouble free so I'm happy ...
oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
I had not noticed that there were apps/scripts to remove bloatware. I actually used the Windows Admin terminal/powershell.
I recently needed a Blender 3 download and was surprised when the site suggested I download it from the Microsoft Store. I did download it from there and also a nice little utility which makes my taskbar look neat.
Bob Davis
Bob Davis
Most of this theme passes me by, but come on what is bloatware? Apart from a Devon or Cornwall cream tea and that'll bloat ee modern.
Bob
oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
Bloatware are unwanted apps which Microsoft inserts into Windows 11 etc. Some I remember removing were
Candy Crush Saga
Disney Magic Kingdoms
Groove Music.
There is nothing wrong with them ... it was just that I did not want them using space on the C: Drive SSD in my laptop.
Candy Crush Saga
Disney Magic Kingdoms
Groove Music.
There is nothing wrong with them ... it was just that I did not want them using space on the C: Drive SSD in my laptop.
Brummie a long time ago
master brummie
Software. A set of instructions in a computer to make it do what you want.
Bloatware. Unnecessary software in a computer.
Malware. Malicious software that you don't want in a computer.
Wetware. Software running in a persons brain, usually required for proper functioning.
Andrew.
Bloatware. Unnecessary software in a computer.
Malware. Malicious software that you don't want in a computer.
Wetware. Software running in a persons brain, usually required for proper functioning.
Andrew.
Are those apps actually installed? Aren't most of those just links to download the apps? Windows 10 must be very confusing for a new user as there is all that flashing stuff on the desktop 'out of the box', none of which I have on my machine now.
Given that a PC operating system used to fit on a 360k floppy I might argue that 99.999999% of Win10 is 'bloatware'! In theory all that we should get is a file handling systen topped off with a 'graphical user interface' i.e. icons and mice.
One could make an argument for making a browser the interface, why do we need 'apps'? Surely a backward step? A 'smart' web page can run in any browser on any platform whereas an app is platform specific. I assume it is to 'capture' the user rather than let them find something generic 'off the web'.
Some things go around in circles, 'cloud computing' looks an awful lot lot like dumb terminals connected to a 'mainframe', which is all we had before the computer went 'personal'. I remember when it was said that computing would 'take off' when the price of core memory fell to a cent per bit. Looks like we are all digital billionaires now!
Brummie a long time ago
master brummie
The direction that Chromebook wants to take. Also office365 probably could dispense with a heap of W10/11.
Yes. Computing has to be paid for at some point.
The mainframe was running the company program that the users were constrained to. The cloud is someone else’s computer running the program that users are constrained to. OK, your point stands
.Andrew.
Bob Davis
Bob Davis
Thanks
Bob
The apps that run in browsers are cloud based so, if you have a file that you want to work on, you would need to have the app accessible. The larger that app is the more likely it is to fail or hang if your connection isn't stable. Some apps are so large that they could not work on the cloud as they are now.
If you are writing something as just text then that's not going to be much of a problem. When you start putting things into a document that aren't text and you want them positioned in a certain way then it's going to start to cause a strain. The more different kinds of things you put in the slower things will get and that is going to be even worse if the editor you use is on the cloud. Taken to the extreme - things like video editing and 3d construction just aren't going to work.
I think that rather depends on what one calls an 'app'. As Windows 10 For Dummies says "In an effort to sound young and hip, Windows now refers to traditional desktop programs as apps." There are lots of small programs could easily be run from within a browser, either client side or server side. For instance internet radio can be 'broadcast' via a browser but the likes of the BBC uses apps, with the results that everytime they make a change users on the 'wrong' platform lose service. The app, though, does give the BBC control over what one gets offered and to track what gets 'received'.
Cloud computing doesn't have to be done on the server. Many moons ago when dumb terminals were the norm 'diskless workstations' started to be used. We had a DEC VAX that downloaded 'apps' like Wordperfect onto a standard PC, albeit one without a hard drive. I am aware of computer systems that, in theory, allow any authorised user to log on to any computer on the intranet, anywhere in the world that it exists. Their authorised 'apps; are downloaded as required. (Their data, however, lives on the intranet 'cloud', which can cause problems if the network isn't up to it.
Given that Windows 10/11 are regarded as a 'service' by Microsoft how long will it be before a fresh copy of the operating system is downloaded each time the PC boots-up. Not so much a personal computer then!
Richard Dye
master brummie
Spargone, I think your comment in your last paragraph is closer than most think!
richardinwales
master brummie
I don't bother deleting 'bloatware', I just don't use them and if your machine is half decent they don't slow it down. Programmes I use daily are pinned to the task bar and its rare I need to touch the search box. I do change my desktop image pretty much weekly, usually mountains or film stars, here is this weeks, the beautiful Hedy Lamarr.
Removing bloatware is not about performance of your machine. Microsoft uses it to gather telemetry and personal data about you the user.
Richard Dye
master brummie
Exactly!
oldMohawk
gone but not forgotten
My Dell 5770 Laptop (bought 2018) has a 128GB SSD C: drive and a 1TB HDD D: drive. On one occasion a Windows feature upgrade stopped with the message 'Update can't continue because insufficient space on C: drive' - it could not store Windows Old.
I then started to remove bloatware but realised that moving default items from the small SSD to the large HHD would be better. I moved the Recycle Bin, Documents, Pictures, Videos to the D: drive and then had space on C: for the upgrade.
I've just looked at my 'All apps' list and removed some bloat named 'Microsoft Teams' - it probably won't make much difference but I just don't want it.
I then started to remove bloatware but realised that moving default items from the small SSD to the large HHD would be better. I moved the Recycle Bin, Documents, Pictures, Videos to the D: drive and then had space on C: for the upgrade.
I've just looked at my 'All apps' list and removed some bloat named 'Microsoft Teams' - it probably won't make much difference but I just don't want it.
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Removing 'unnecessary' files from hard drives has always been a stock suggestion from computer magazine writers to 'improve performance'. As long as there is enough spare space on the drive that shouldn't be a problem but it is easy copy to keep writing and it 'sounds right', a bit like 'de-junking' ones house.
The real problem is that increasingly Windows comes with software that runs 'in the background' that we aren't aware of and if we do go looking for it some of it might well be essential, part of Windows 'housekeeping'.
Things get even more complicated when we consider Microsoft and Google 'services'. Is it a plus or a minus when picking up a different computer, tablet, phone etc. we find that we are 'recognised'? I wonder if we all need our own 'firewalled' machine, different room, different user name and wired, disconnectable, internet access? (Only to find that 'Alexa' has been listening to us all the time!).
Richard Dye
master brummie
And add to that Apple if you have an iPhone!
We recently purchased a new car which required Siri to be turned on to activate the hands free phone. We had about 60 miles on our car we went to a church service. When we got in the car the navigation system came on and showed the route/ directions to the church. After the service we started the car and the navigation system showed us the way home. At first I did not think too much but the following week were at the dealer for “technology “ training and I spoke to the tech who is very good. He advised that the phone learns and remembers our habits and puts it into the car.
I think big brother is upon us! And whoever else.