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Astoness

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morning all and seasons greeting to you all....thought i would set a little brain teaser today....here is a nice pic of a line of ladies celebrating the silver jubilee of 1935....there is no location to it but i notice there appears to be a name above the door of the shop although not very clear...can anyone work out the name and maybe put a possible location to it....

lyn..

pic courtesy of carl chinn
 

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Hi Lyn ,merry christmas.
The name is R. CUSSOLD, I'll have a little search, but I'm sure Mike or one of the other members with better means at their diposal will come up with the answer.
Best wishes John
 
The name looks like E CLISSOLD to me, and the shop is a simple conversion of a terraced house, the number on the door in one of those oval metal plates looks like 36, can you read it any clearer Astoness?
 
Dont want to be awkward John but I thought it was CLISSOLD Seaasons greetings to anybody around at this time
 
Lyn
I thought it was Clissold, as the spacing seemed to be wrong for Cussold, but checked both in 1933 and 1936 Kellys. There was no R.clissold or any cussolds. but there was :
Clissold Ellen (Mrs.), shopkpr. 76 Sladefield rd. WardEnd 8
Clissold Frederick A. shopkeeper, 36 Herrick road, Saltley
Checking the electoral roll for 1935 , no cussolds and only 2 R Clissolds are listed, one in Lea Bank and another in a back court.
The electoral roll for 1935 gives 36 Herrick road as Selina & william clissold while at Sladefield road it is alfred & Ellen clissold.
It still could be Herrick road, but bi think its most likely Sladefield road . i'm not certain, but think the picture might be it now
mike
 
happy christmas to everyone on this thread and thanks for all the info on this pic....hi mike...so its looking like a ward end pic then although i know its not definate...i like to have a location on pics as you never know who may see them and if their family lived there they could very well be on the photo...

i will see if i can find any more pics for sladefield road as it may help to confirm it...

cheers all...

lyn
 
It looks far too old to be Sladefield Rd.I never remember seeing a shop house anywhere in that area.
going by the style of house: Sash windows upstairs it looks much more likely to be Saltley.
 
cant find any more old pics of that way at the moment im afraid....this one may keep us busy for a while....sorry jean..just saw your post and yes you are right...happy days and a nice cuppa and a chin wag was very often all folk needed then to put a smile on their face.....

lyn..
 
had a good look at the pic again..it does look like e clissold and underneath tabacconist...
 
Yes you are right Lloyd. Should have checked that. I agree that the upper window does look a bit wrong, and the modern picture seems to show the same windows in all the houses, so its probably not a modern addition. If it wasn't built as a shop, then I think the door might have been at the other end, but can't find any pictures of anywhere to show that happening. On the old photo there are four brick lengths showing to the left of the window, and rough measurement on the modern view shows that this means the corner bevelling wouldn't have shown in the old photo. But , on the whole, it does seem to make the Sladefield road identification unlikely, which means it might be Herrick Road, but that seems to have all gone now -all modern.
mike
 
mike..ive done a search for old herrick road pics..no luck so far so would you have a map showing where herrick was and the surrounding roads/street please...

lyn
 
Lyn, is this a trick competition? There is a Clissold Street off Camden St (Spring Hill way). Maybe the street and the shop owner have the same name?

While you're on, can I private message you later in the day please? You might best be able to advise me about a site protocol....
 
Lyn herrick road went between highland road and Wright Rd (and a bit further on). Later it connected to Washwood Heath road, but not then , and not now. The map shows where no 36 was (plus or minus one house) in red
Mike

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I think 36 Herrick Rd Saltley fits the bill much better, and if you look closely at the door on the original photo you can see a number it looks more like 36 than 76.

Well back to my dinner.

Phil

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I agree Phil. i must admit i didn't search google earth well enough to realise there were still some standing.
Mike
 
hi phil and mike...its looking like herrick road saltley isnt it...posting the two pics side by side to compere them better...(i hope)..

hi richie..its not a trick question and i think we may have the location although not deffinate just yet....of course you may message me anytime you want but just dont tell the others...lol...

lyn
 

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I have superimposed the old photo on to the new, bearing in mind the angle of the cameras, this certainly looks like the same building.
 
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afternoon john...well looking at what you have done i am happy to go along with it being herrick rd saltley...looks spot on to me...thanks everso much....

lyn
 
pmc1947 said:
I think 36 Herrick Rd Saltley fits the bill much better, and if you look closely at the door on the original photo you can see a number it looks more like 36 than 76.

Well back to my dinner.

Phil
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In the 1911 census a Mrs Clamp lived at 36 Herrick Rd and she was a grocer, so it does look like a shop then.
Terry

CLAMP, M A Head Widow F 44 1867 Grocer
 
I think you've found it, Herrick Road. 1911 Census does give widow MA Clamp, plus sons WR and CH Clamp at no36 - but at no52 is 48 year old Frederick Augustus Clissold and 49 y.o. Selina Clissold. Frederick is a printer at the nearby Metropolitan Carriage Works (later to become Metro-Cammell). Also there are daughters Lilly Drucilla Clissold (22) and Jesse Clissold (19), son Frederick Augustus Clissold (the younger, age 11) and grandfather Thillemon Onesomas Clissold, 80, who came originally from Stroud, Gloucestershire and whose death is registered in the 3rd quarter of 1911 (as Phillimon O Clissold).

Did the Clissolds buy the shop from Mrs Clamp? Is that name over the door F Clissold? Do we know anything about the people in the photo?

The Clissolds are listed at no36 in the electoral rolls from 1920 until 1939. By 1945 an Annie F Shirley was there.
 
hi Lloyd...well i think thats clinched it then...thanks for the info...it does seem that the clissolds took over the shop from the clamps and it is most likely f clissolds name over the door...i would like to bet that one of those ladies outside the shop is fredericks wife selina....if we are all agreed on the location i can now email this pic back to carl chinn giving him the exact address like he can ammend it on his site as i think what happens is he gets so many random photos sent to him from maybe the younger generation of a family who are just not interested in keeping old family photos or maybe the family line has come to an end and they have been found in a house clearance and passed on to him that way...anyway thanks to you all for solving this one...what a great bunch of detectives you would make...

ps..who knows...if the clissold family line has continued maybe one of them will join the forum and hopefully one day read this thread....and that is what makes this forum so great...

cheers..

lyn
 
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