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I noted that a question in today's The Chase, was "1 in 200 men alive today are descended from whom?" The three options were William the Conqueror, Genghis Khan or Julius Caesar. The answer was Genghis Khan.
It crossed my mind that most people work backwards in time it appears. Maybe they should work forwards, starting with Genghis. They would be surprised who some of their ancestors are I guess. ;)
 
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Phew , that would be a real genealogical search.
I think he had at least 5 sons and 10 daughters,and a thousand illegitimate children so to find the one that eventually belonged to your direct line may would take a lifetime.
His children were also very prolific, his eldest believed to have had 40 sons by many wives.
In 2003 it was estimated that over 16 million men could trace their heritage back to Ghengis Khan.
 
It's one of those great headlines that is not entirely accurate.

It should be '1 in 200 men share the same Y-chromosone as who?'

Genghis Khan had 3 brothers and 2 half brothers all of whom would have the same Y-chromosone, as would his paternal line uncles, great uncles and so on.

So those 1 in 200 men could be descendants of any one of them, though it seems likely that of Genghis Khan's generation his desecendants would be the largest group.

Also Genghis Khan's burial was secret and his dna is unknown.
 
Radiorails said:
I noted that a question in today's The Chase, was "1 in 200 men alive today are descended from whom?" The three options were William the Conqueror, Genghis Khan or Julius Caesar. The answer was Genghis Khan.
It crossed my mind that most people work backwards in time it appears. Maybe they should work forwards, starting with Genghis. They would be surprised who some of their ancestors are I guess. ;)
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Be a bit of a task and the when you get to 2020 and then find half the Birmingham phone book half full with the Khan surname !! John.
 
Could be a bit incestuous too, find your wife's brother also started at the same tree as you. OK Pete I have left it open for a punch line

Bob
 
Radiorails said:
I noted that a question in today's The Chase, was "1 in 200 men alive today are descended from whom?" The three options were William the Conqueror, Genghis Khan or Julius Caesar. The answer was Genghis Khan.
It crossed my mind that most people work backwards in time it appears. Maybe they should work forwards, starting with Genghis. They would be surprised who some of their ancestors are I guess. ;)
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I suppose it shows Genghis could.

Bob
 
I read the first page of this thread: it made interesting reading.
It is hard for Moderators to try and point out the nature of this Forum i.e. history of the City of Birmingham from its early days through the expansion and growth of the late 19th. and early 20th. centuries and avoid giving offence or repelling new Members.
Family trees and similar are truthfully peripheral to the history nature of this Forum, but many here try to be as helpful - using their knowledge and resources - as they are able. At times BHF can seem to be an annex of Ancestry and other commercial web sites. BHF is not a profit making place and accordingly makes no charges - but does, as it happens, welcomes donations. :)
Some enquiries produce good threads and often develop into photos of the streets of places that existed at the time that is the subject of the enquiry. So those come well within the historical purpose of BHF.
As a city - which once claimed a 1000 trades - there are a great number of threads about the trades and companies within its boundaries and lightly beyond. (Rover and BSA are two that come to mind). Without doubt there are still some trades and companies yet to have interesting threads raised about their history.
 
Alan,

I agree that we have drifted away from the history of Birmingham a little. However, it could also be argued that we've pretty well done the history of the city to death and without people history (genealogy), business history, and the social chit chat, there wouldn't be a huge amount going on if we just stuck to city history. The older members are slowly dying off and most of us have already posted what old photographs we have, some several times. Are you suggesting that we should curtail answering certain types of members questions? I have no views in particular, and if I can help I generally will, whatever the subject.

Maurice :cool:
 
There is still history to be recorded and discussed. I think the White's Removal thread, the Gordon Street and the Meddocream threads are examples - and those threads are recent. Little seems recorded after the wholesale demolitions and relocations of the late 150's and 1960's. Birmingham did not stop or cease to exist; it just changed. Probably one factor is that the latter part of the 20th. century much was very fluid and transitory and as such had a short known history, whereas older established companies stayed put or expanded their sites.
I have no suggestions - it is not up to me to make or decide on them - however, I was simply drawing attention to the comments made in the posts at the beginning of this thread.
 
I'm not complaining, Alan, and if I knew anything about those three subjects then I would most definitely contribute. Just curious about your post, that was all.

Maurice :cool:
 
Radiorails said:
There is still history to be recorded and discussed. I think the White's Removal thread, the Gordon Street and the Meddocream threads are examples - and those threads are recent. Little seems recorded after the wholesale demolitions and relocations of the late 150's and 1960's. Birmingham did not stop or cease to exist; it just changed. Probably one factor is that the latter part of the 20th. century much was very fluid and transitory and as such had a short known history, whereas older established companies stayed put or expanded their sites.
I have no suggestions - it is not up to me to make or decide on them - however, I was simply drawing attention to the comments made in the posts at the beginning of this thread.
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Alan & Maurice...........I think you both make very good points! We don't know what we don't know. To Alan's point Whites, Gordon Street and Meddocream & how many more are there that have not been brought to light! And Maurice, we are aging and maybe the pictures have mostly been shown but I am confident that technology will help us along the way. The more we dig (metaphorically) the more we are finding!
Great work everyone............
 
This is my personal view (not just as a Mod). There is much still to be uncovered. Just look at the enthusiasm for the HS2 archaeological work. Some thought provoking findings about the historical events, the culture, the individuals, society, attitudes ........ and more.

And the more we go out there to seek new information and look for new perspectives, the better understanding we’ll have of Birmingham as a place. This is possible via may routes such as looking at its people (genealogy - the human perspective), examining the features of a building (architecture - tells us the place it plays in a location).

The combined and continued exploration of the places, the people, the words, the creative expression, the factual etc etc all build towards a better understanding of a place. So, in my view, we still have plenty to uncover. So far, we’ve only revealed the more obvious history. Viv.
 
This is my personal view (not just as a Mod) too. As Viv says above and…

….to make history an engaging subject to as many people as possible it has to be a two-way conversation. This conversation must explore all aspects of the past in an open and honest way, without fear of being shot down or criticised. The traditional “we will tell you what we think you should know” has already been done to death. We can go back to school if we want more.

There is in my opinion far more to Birmingham’s rich past than that contained in the archives and documents that are well thumbed, read and quoted. The whole landscape is a mass of buildings and objects from the past along with collections of photographs, workplace stories and family histories.

It reminds me how little history I know.
 
I would agree with Morturn as to the much that remains to be discovered, though do not think that " the archives and documents (that) are well thumbed, read and quoted ". I think that there is still much in archives that have been collected that has not yet been properly expoited
 
Morturn said:
This is my personal view (not just as a Mod) too. As Viv says above and…

….to make history an engaging subject to as many people as possible it has to be a two-way conversation. This conversation must explore all aspects of the past in an open and honest way, without fear of being shot down or criticised. The traditional “we will tell you what we think you should know” has already been done to death. We can go back to school if we want more.

There is in my opinion far more to Birmingham’s rich past than that contained in the archives and documents that are well thumbed, read and quoted. The whole landscape is a mass of buildings and objects from the past along with collections of photographs, workplace stories and family histories.

It reminds me how little history I know.
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Mort, absolutely on point!
 
And we are all part of that history, whether we are remembering , or perhaps half remembering, Mrs So s and so who ran (blank fill in the shop, factory, pub yourself), the cinema , the night club, was a tram driver, the list is endless, when you identify an untitled photograph of a house, road or factory, when post a grim black and white photo of a back to back court off Icknield Street. The moment that where is this picture is posted, you all react we are all the past (the history), the now (remembering the past) and the future (complaining g about what is going to happen).

Bob
 
mikejee said:
I would agree with Morturn as to the much that remains to be discovered, though do not think that " the archives and documents (that) are well thumbed, read and quoted ". I think that there is still much in archives that have been collected that has not yet been properly expoited
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Mike, I believe your comment about the archives is so very true and will yield a plethora of information and knowledge!
 
I owe Elliott David and all the other photographers who post the pictures that are the glue that keeps the forum going an apology for not mentioning their work, they are showing the present that will be the history to all our grand children. I know Alan headed the theme Genealogy, but it is from many genealogy questions that so much history emerges.
Bob
 
Morturn said: “It reminds me how little history I know”

Mikejee said: “I think that there is still much in archives that have been collected that has not yet been properly exploited”

The above two comments seem to me a fundamental reason for BHF’s continuance. Genealogy can be as much a part of those two statements too.

Yes, it would be nice if recipients of our research efforts put something back into BHF. This is an untapped resource. So before we go ahead and give out that family information, maybe we should be asking them their reason for seeking it: who are the people, what do they know about them so far, eg jobs, schools, their connections with Birmingham ........ anything. As Morturn said, history is also about “ engaging” people. It is within our power to engage members and explore the history with them. Viv.
 
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Vivienne14 said:
Morturn said: “It reminds me how little history I know”

Mikejee said: “I think that there is still much in archives that have been collected that has not yet been properly exploited”

The above two comments seem to me a fundamental reason for BHF’s continuance. Genealogy can be as much a part of those two statements too.

Yes, it would be nice if recipients of our research efforts put something back into BHF. This is an untapped resource. So before we go ahead and give out that family information, maybe we should be asking them their reason for seeking it: who are the people, what do they know about them so far, eg jobs, schools, their connections with Birmingham ........ anything. As Morturn said, history is also about “ engaging” people. It is within our power to engage members and explore the history with them. Viv.
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Like it a lot, could open up a whole new can of history of the City.
Bob
 
May 2021, Who do you think you are magazine.

Findmypast now have complete records of victims of air raids on London during First World War. 5000 bombings 1915 to 1918. 50 Zepplin raids, 557 people killed and 1,358 injured.
 
Pedrocut said:
The Ogilby Muster (TOM) is an online platform which gives users access to First World War archives held in Regimental Museums across the UK.

TOM: Digitised Archives - Army Museums Ogilby Trust

Update All digitised versions of WW1 archives have been transferred to the museums from which the original documents were digitised. Please directly contact
www.armymuseums.org.uk www.armymuseums.org.uk
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Thank you for this wonderful new resource link for 1900-1920 Regimental Museums.

Interests
Duke of Cornwall's Light Infantry - Bodmin
Royal Vetinary Service - Aldershot
Dragoons Cavalry Regiment ?
 
For research Find My Past. For genetic matches Ancestry. I use both which works out quite pricey.
 
Hi, ( I don't need help with a 'lookup') :)

I'm fairly new to the genealogy game. Luckily I already have my family tree passed down to me years ago (pre internet days) which I'm attempting to convert to digital format in excel, before the rolls of wallpaper they are written on decays more than it has.

I am starting to fact check names and dates back to 1837 using BMD & GRO ,The tree is surprisingly accurate barring a
few spelling mistakes.

Does anyone know why GRO state it is possible to index marriages on their site when I cannot find that option?
I've sent them email weeks ago with no reply.

cheers
 
GRO states you can search "historical birth and death indexes". I cannot see where it says marriage indexes.
 
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