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Sutton Park History

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I had just finished writing a short story leading up to the photographs I was about to post and I because I had taken too long in the writing I was logged out and lost it all, so here are a couple of photographs taken in Sutton Park by my grandfather starting with July 11 1915
 
I agree Carolynn it's a stunning photo of what I would imagine is a day trip. Thanks for posting it Humph3.
 
Excellent photo Humph - must have been a good camera that took it. If you are putting a long post on, first type it in Notepad at leisure, then copy the text and paste it into the forum message box. Looking forward to more photos and the stories leading up to them.
 
JUST GREAT! MORE PHOTO'S PLEASE, so many things have changed in the park FROM THOSE DAYS not all for the better.
 
Hi Humph,

Is it my imagination or are the folk in the photograph really looking sad? It is 1915 and several of the men in the photo are of military age. WW1 was just getting into its stride. Was this a gathering to give a send off to some of those young men ? Whatever the facts I would wager that some of those men were not alive in 1919. However it is an excellent photograph, if you know anything at all about it we would all be interested. Perhaps I am just being morbid.

Old Boy
 
Before I started this reply, I trawled through the whole of this thread and really enjoyed your memories, which prompted me to look out photographs to post which my grandfather had taken before and during the First World War. I also wanted to give a little on the background on how I came across the pictures and my beginning to research my family history and ending up joining this forum.

I was born in ‘Colmore’ which is what is written on my birth certificate, whether that means Loveday Street, I’m not sure and then brought up in SuttonColdfield on the Chester Road, the boundary between Sutton and Birmingham. In fact the end of our very long garden was the boundary.

We had a fierce pride in Sutton, the Royal Borough and I remember that any letter which arrived and had Erdington as the postal district written on it, were despised, or so it seemed to me.

My father died in Highcroft Hospital in 1954 following an operation to remove a brain tumour at the QE hospital. So that my mother could go back to work, my brother and I were sent to the convent boarding house in Westbourne Road, Harborne. As far as I was concerned a million miles away from home. From there we walked to the Oratory School in Ladywood. At the age of seven, it was daunting. The roads and the back-to-back houses, the old Victorian school. I hated it…….

We stayed at the convent for about five years returning home to live in 1960. My brother went to another school but I continued to travel to Ladywood from Chester Road, because by this time I liked my school and all my friends were there.

I would sometimes visit friends houses and I was quite taken aback to find they had no inside bathrooms or toilets. I couldn’t believe it.

So why tell you all this, in a thread Sutton Park. Well I used to tell friends at school about the place and how much fun could be had there. A few of them came over to my house and we went to Sutton Park where some of them saw their very first cow, they had never been out of the Ladywood district - amazing and sad. They also thought we were very posh because we had an upstairs bathroom and toilet, and a hall……little did they know we were near to destitute after my father died and his plastics tool making business was sold off.

Most of my school holidays was spent in Sutton Park, going to Keepers Pool everyday and then going off on another adventure wherever it took us returning home usually after teatime totally exhausted.. Great days.

When I was thirteen I, like Goffy I think it was said in this thread, joined the sea cadets at Boldmere gate. Every Friday and Sunday morning we took part in activities including sailing and pulling (rowing - not birds) on Powels Pool. Thirty years later as an instructor in the sea cadets in Somerset I took groups of cadets to Sutton sea cadets for canoe training. All three of my children canoed or sailed there and I was full of telling them how I virtually lived in the park as a kid…

Before I go on - the next photograph, taken at the same time as the first. In the first picture , my grandfather is the person with moustache, standing at the back in the middle wearing the boater, his wife standing next to him. My mother is the little girl sitting at the front with blond hair. Picture no2 my grandfather must have been taking the picture.
 
About three years ago I came across a sealed box at my older sisters house and when I opened it I found photographs and negatives together with some glass plate negatives, letters and documents. They dated from 1784 and belonged to my grandfather. The box hadn’t been opened for nearly sixty years.



I have since digitised everything in it and collecting information and joining together clues from papers and letters have been able to build a picture of my family’s history. My parents came from Ladywood Birmingham, a fact I only found out after finding this box. Little did I know, that when I was a kid and going to school, that I was walking in my parents footsteps. In fact I only found out that my father went to the same school I had attended twelve months ago….

My grandfather was an amateur photographer. He used a large quarter plate camera judging by the size of the glass negatives , but he only took family portraits and the ones which were taken in Sutton Park.

I should think these were either celebrating some event or were day trips maybe on a charabanc - I would have loved to have gone on one of those.

The next photographs are at the beginning and during WW1, notice in these the appearance of the uniforms
 
Thanks Humph for your interesting stories and wonderful photos. I think many of us have such happy memories of days long ago in the park.
 
Take all the Photos you can now . as with the above FANTASTIC PIC's one day they too will be looked back on with fond memories
Donot forget to Keep all the ones you have ,never throw any away as the ones you donot think are worth keeping may one dayt be just the ones you future family will find most interesting of all.
MORE PLEASE
 
When I was thirteen I, like Goffy I think it was said in this thread, joined the sea cadets at Boldmere gate. Every Friday and Sunday morning we took part in activities including sailing and pulling (rowing - not birds) on Powels Pool. Thirty years later as an instructor in the sea cadets in Somerset I took groups of cadets to Sutton sea cadets for canoe training. All three of my children canoed or sailed there and I was full of telling them how I virtually lived in the park as a kid…

Hi your above para; made me look up this Photo taken of our eldest Granson being presented with a Rowing Cup of the Sea Cadets at Powles Pool a few weeks ago.
 
Baron,

great one. I still had my Sutton Cadet cap which I bought when i was on a course in Arbroath, Scotland, in 1963, and gave it to my eldest son when he joined....
Humph
 
In the 1930's my grandfather used to put his cows in the park, he lived at the bottom of Clarence Road Four Oaks. A couple of times a year dad used to drive me around to find out where they were and seeing those photos brought a smile to an old face. Thanks. David Weaver.
 
David i think there is an old charter that allows farmers the graze their animals on the park land and this is still allowed today.Dek
 
I think you're right Dek, Granddad Weaver reckoned he'd had permission from Bishop Vesey, and for years I believed him. That's where it came from though, according to to legend. Regards, David.
David i think there is an old charter that allows farmers the graze their animals on the park land and this is still allowed today.Dek
 
Dek and David I was always told that if you resided in the Borough of Sutton Coldfield you had the right to graze your animals in the park free. I must ask some of my family members as they live in Sutton. Jean.
 
I think I remember that if you resided in Sutton Coldfield [some years ago] you were allowed FREE Holly and Wood Logs at Christmas Time - does anyone remember that. Miriam.
 
I do remember going with my Dad to collect our Christmas tree, holly and mistletoe from a sort of yard by Blackroot Pool in fact it's still there. I don't know if any of it was free though.
 
Hello Wendy. It's been a long tme ago but I think I remember we had a badge for the car and therefore it was free. I could be very, very wrong. I may be in line for Al's senior moments!!!!!!! Miriam/
 
I,m not sure when the badges came in but as children we would walk up to the gate give your Sutton address and you were let in although there were a number of other entries that you could just walk in known to the locals. Dek
 
Dad had a badge for his car it was a sticker in the window which was hard to remove. I had to carry a card with my name and address and the parkie would ask to see it! It must have been getting tougher in my day........lol
 
Jean/Dek I always understood that Henry the 8th handed the park over to Bishop Vesey and he directed that the population could indeed let their animals browse. They had to be removed once a year for marking though. Mind you, as my history was very limited I could be a thousand percent wrong. My excuse being I missed a lot of school during the bombing of Aston but if truth be known, I was as thick as two planks nailed together. Regards, david.
Dek and David I was always told that if you resided in the Borough of Sutton Coldfield you had the right to graze your animals in the park free. I must ask some of my family members as they live in Sutton. Jean.
 
The one thing I can't remember is how much I paid to take Misty in the park?. I know I paid something though. Long time ago I guess. Jean.
 
In 1964 I bought my first car an Hillman Imp. My sister lived in Sutton and I stuck her badge to my windscreen for a free drives into the park - sorry Sutton ! I think they issued a new different coloured badge sticker each year.
Before the car I had a motor scooter, took it to the park, flew a model aeroplane, came back to the scooter and found that a one of the grazing cows had given up on grass and chewed away half the scooter seat.
 
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