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St John's Church Perry Barr

Derek, I am so pleased for you what a wonderful find these documents are so precious. To find a burial plot you will need to find out who holds the registers. I am not sure if it would be Birmingham Library or Sandwell Records office as St John's was Perry Barr. Have a look on the web or even send an email and ask the question. If you don't have any luck give me a shout...........sorry I have to get back to work now.
 
Alf well done a very good site. Did you see the bit about Tommy Ball an Aston Villa player being buried in the churchyard. Apparently he was murdered by a deranged police officer in 1924. As I know of your interest in the Villa! Please don't go off thread or I will be in trouble.:rolleyes:
 
Yes Moma

Its a good site for a local Church great photos, history etc:)
 
Alf & Moma P
Have looked at the site for St Johns and emailed the vicar there.
Fantastic site with loads of history, will be going asap to find the grave and pay my respects.
Thought you might like to see the verse that was on the card, very touching.
as always thanks for all your help.

Derek


Wife, I die, my peace is won,
I lingered but my race is run,
Choose me a grave where I can sleep,
Untroubled in the silent deep,
And when you stray at evening hour,
On my grave plant one sweet flower,
And on a Holy Sabbath day,
Bring my dear children here to pray.
"THY WILL BE DONE"
 
Again I am so pleased for you, its so nice when you find something that takes you on another journey. The church site looks realy good. The verse is so lovely thank you for sharing it with us.
 
I am so pleased for you Derek.:)

I would be interested to know what state you find the grave yard in when you go. The last tine I went some years ago now a lot of the graves stones had fallen over and the grass was waist high, I know where the family grave is but couldn't get to it. It would be lovely to go and see it again.
 
Oh Di thats such a shame, I hear this all the time, I would get in touch with the church through the web site and see what they say.
 
Morning Di & Moma P

It is sad news to hear about the state of the churchyard what a pity that there are no resources to look after them.

Di when you said you "know where the family grave is" would you be able to give rough directions once inside the grounds so that I may be able to find it. (I Hope)

Last night I also sent an email to Father Crispin Pailing, taken from the website, he is very happy to hear about my news but sad to say the plan of the graveyard was lost in a fire in the 1st half of the 20th century BUT the good news is there are people activly re ploting the headstones and he has passed on my message to them.
Will let you know how it goes and am hoping that a photo or two may follow.

Derek
 
It's a beautiful verse, Derek and really wonderful that these documents have found there way back to you. I can only dream of finding such a treasure in our family tree :)

My mom was married at St John's in Perry Barr and we took her to see it a few weeks back. I have a couple of pictures of the church which my husband took while we were there and I will put them up in a post for people to see.

Good luck with your search and I hope that you get some good news from the people plotting the headstones. x
 
My mom was married at St Johns and while we were in the area a few weeks ago we took my mom on a trip down memory lane :) x


 
Thanks for the lovely pictures Tanya,:)
I was a little worried as to the state of the churchyard but it looks fine, hope to get there this week end.

Regards

Derek
 
You are very welcome, Derek and I'm glad you liked them :) We don't go anywhere without the camera now as we always seem to go on quick detours for the family tree :D

From what I could see the church yard wasn't too overgrown but I was looking from the car at the time as I stayed behind with the children while my mom and hubby went to have a look instead.

I hope you manage to get over there at the weekend and find what you are looking for (and that the weather stays nice for you too).

Tanya
 
I wasn't too sure myself which section to put it under, Alf and thought the Old and New Brum might be okay. Do you think I should ask if it can be moved? :)
 
Don't worry Tanya if the MANAGEMENT8) think iot should be moved they will move it, I only asked because we had St John's Church website on last night.

Just think about cleaning your house on Wednesday
 
Thanks, Alf. It was when I was typing a reply to the thread that I thought maybe I should put the pics up that we took of the church :) Looking back now it would have made more sense for me to put them on there instead :oops: :D

I will pop over to the post again in a bit and put them on there too.
 
I am so happy you are making good progress with your research, Derek. What a treasure that verse is. Good luck finding the grave plot. I will be pulling for you (and watching and learning,too).
 
That is really nice of you Derek, :)

You turn right at the main gate, there used to be a Willow Tree on the right near to the water tap, under which twin cousins of mine are buried, but there is no head stone, walk on the path round the church and the grave is on the right near to the boundry of the church yard. My nan Martha Horton died 1939 and Grandfather George Horton died 1930. share the grave. If it is at all as I last saw it there is no chance to get near to it, and the sad thing is that I was in the road going to Perry Park a month ago, but as I had been upset on my previous visit I didn't go into the chuchyard.
 
It was interesting to read about St John's Church, Perry Barr. I used to know it quitre well over 60 years ago, as I sang in the choir there in 1942 - 1944 or so. I also went a few times to the Sunday bSchool afterwards, but drew the line at the suggestion that I should join the Cubs, and shortly afterwards dropped out, as I think did one or two of my mates.
I do remember picking a puff-ball (which I had just learned about at school) and putting it in my cassock pocket. After a couple of weeks my pocket ponged a bit!
I also remember running out of the waste land between the Park and Church Road into the road, right in front of a moving car. You didn't see many cars on a Sunday during the war, and I did think to look first. After missing the car I just carried on running, but I do remember hearing a passer by saying the driver looked pretty shaken, and the other must have pointed at me and said 'So is he'.
Thinking about earlier discussions, I rather think that waste land could have been the site of the mill we have been talking about.
Peter
 
I went to Sunday Scholl at St Johns from about 1948-1952 when we came out of church my friend and I would spend ages in the graveyard looking at the graves,even at that early age we loved reading the inscriptions.
I also got married there in 1964 and my children were babtised there.I was so shocked when I saw it recently,at how it was so rundown ..and Blue doors??:Aah:
 
I passed there a few times last week, went a bit slower in the car to have a nose, looks like some work has been done to cut back the grass etc


bren
 
Morning Bren

Yes, it looks quite good from the road edge but when you go round the other two sides sadly, it is still waist & shoulder high in some places with nettles.
But.......managed to get a little info and met the lovely Father Crispin while there.

Derek
 
Great Derek, I hope you told him about the Forum and the interest thats on it for his church.:)

I got my Vicar interested and I'm up in Suffolk and he wants a article in his monthly Magazine.
 
Wendy said:
Alf well done a very good site. Did you see the bit about Tommy Ball an Aston Villa player being buried in the churchyard. Apparently he was murdered by a deranged police officer in 1924. As I know of your interest in the Villa! Please don't go off thread or I will be in trouble.:rolleyes:
Click to expand...


The deranged police officer was also his next door neighbour and landlord. (must've been a blues fan :D)
 
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