Thanks Nick, I was thinking that they must have been demolished by the time that I got there, but now I'm thinking I might never have gone that far down. I turned off a road on the left hand side to take my kids to nursery. I have an idea that Haden's Kettles or Cannings was down there. If you knew that butchers Nick, is there any chance that you know of the bicycle hire shop at no. 216 Watery Lane, on the corner of Keeley Street? That was my grandfathers shop and I'm trying to find some details of it.