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Ladywood 2 said:
Interesting, William [Billy] Killed in Salonika 1918, James [Jimmy] Killed in France 1917 don't know of John and Kellie, Elizabeth or Lily seems correct.
Thanks for your help
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Have you transposed the years perhaps. William (Oxford & Bucks) appears to have died in 1917, though his age and service no. seem to be wrong on the CWGC site.
 
MWS said:
Can't spot her in 1921.
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neither can i mark at least not in birmingham thats why i asked if ladywood if his mom had ever mentioned where she went after her parents died...thing is with the name elizabeth she could be under eliza..lizzy...lilie plus of course she could have been sent outside of birmingham...

lyn
 
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One of Elizabeth's uncles (Walter Cantlin) also appears to be missing from the 1921 census. He was only recently married and had no children so she could be with him. On the 1922 ER he's listed at Ashted Place but if he's there in 1921 he doesn't come up.

Her (Cantlin) grandmother was still alive in 1921 but she's not with her. She's not with any of her (Cantlin) aunts either, 2 of whom are with their mother.
 
Astoness said:
would this be your mother and grandparents on the 1911.. ?

add is house 2 court 2 stoke st

edward powell age 36 polisher
nellie powell 36 (nelly could be another name for ellen)
son james 16 polisher
son william 14 polisher
son john 12 at school
daughter kellie 8 at school
daughter liley 3..(liley being short for elizabeth)

lyn
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I think Kellie is actually Nellie, my mother's older sister Ellen Powell
 
MWS said:
One of Elizabeth's uncles (Walter Cantlin) also appears to be missing from the 1921 census. He was only recently married and had no children so she could be with him. On the 1922 ER he's listed at Ashted Place but if he's there in 1921 he doesn't come up.

Her (Cantlin) grandmother was still alive in 1921 but she's not with her. She's not with any of her (Cantlin) aunts either, 2 of whom are with their mother.
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I think my mother went to an orphanage at Coleshill, where my Aunt Nell would visit her when possible.
Aunt Nell was about 15, born 1903 so it would have been difficult for her to visit my mother.
 
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Astoness said:
neither can i mark at least not in birmingham thats why i asked if ladywood if his mom had ever mentioned where she went after her parents died...thing is with the name elizabeth she could be under eliza..lizzy...lilie plus of course she could have been sent outside of birmingham...

lyn
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My father used to call her Lill, as did my aunt Nell her sister. Thanks for your help
 
MWS said:
That seems right then Lyn.

There was a son, birth reg. as Charles Francis Dec 1905 and death as Thomas Francis Mar 1906 - not sure why there's a difference and a daughter, Mary Winifred birth reg. Jun 1911 and death the same Prvt. John Thomas Powell.jpgqtr.

The third child was another daughter, Mary Agnes birth Mar 1914, death Sep 1914.

James' birth was reg. as James Jeremiah Edward, William as Charles William and John was John Thomas.
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MWS said:
Have you transposed the years perhaps. William (Oxford & Bucks) appears to have died in 1917, though his age and service no. seem to be wrong on the CWGC site.
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William [Billy} enlisted in the Warwickshire Regiment, But died in Salonika 16th May 1917. I found his gravestone just outside Thessaloniki in Greece. His Commonwealth gravestone has the badge of the Ox and Bucks, tPrvt. Powell .jpghis was because so many regiments were decimated they made up the numbers from other regiments, in this case from the Warwicks.
 
I am wondering if this is them on the 1937/38 eroll in Edward Street
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Interesting for 2 reasons.
  • Extra name for Elizabeth of Lily (may prove to be helpful)
  • Also James living with them
 
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MWS said:
Have you transposed the years perhaps. William (Oxford & Bucks) appears to have died in 1917, though his age and service no. seem to be wrong on the CWGC site.
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James survived the war and dies in 1940, John Thomas [ Jackie] and William Charles [Billy] where killed in action in France and Greece.
 
In 1940 My Parents left my brother in Edward street with with my Aunt Nell, and they went to a cinema, could have been the Lyric,
the air raid sirens went, and my parents decided to stay in the cinema. After the All Clear, they went to their house in Cox Street, and found it bombed out. All the people who went to the shelter in Cox Street were killed, I think 21 women and children.
If my parents had gone home at the air raid warning they would have used the shelter in Cox Street and I wouldn't be writing this.
 
Ladywood 2 said:
I think my mother went to an orphanage at Coleshill, where my Aunt Nell would visit her when possible.
Aunt Nell was about 15, born 1903 so it would have been difficult for her to visit my mother.
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As she was a Catholic she may have gone to the Homes in Coleshill - later called fr Hudson's Homes.
Trying to find them on the 1921 census.
 
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