Richard Parkes bargee

[MWS]

Can't spot her in 1921.

 

[MWS]

Interesting, William [Billy] Killed in Salonika 1918, James [Jimmy] Killed in France 1917 don't know of John and Kellie, Elizabeth or Lily seems correct.
Thanks for your help

Have you transposed the years perhaps. William (Oxford & Bucks) appears to have died in 1917, though his age and service no. seem to be wrong on the CWGC site.

 

[Astoness]

Can't spot her in 1921.

neither can i mark at least not in birmingham thats why i asked if ladywood if his mom had ever mentioned where she went after her parents died...thing is with the name elizabeth she could be under eliza..lizzy...lilie plus of course she could have been sent outside of birmingham...

lyn

 

[MWS]

One of Elizabeth's uncles (Walter Cantlin) also appears to be missing from the 1921 census. He was only recently married and had no children so she could be with him. On the 1922 ER he's listed at Ashted Place but if he's there in 1921 he doesn't come up.

Her (Cantlin) grandmother was still alive in 1921 but she's not with her. She's not with any of her (Cantlin) aunts either, 2 of whom are with their mother.

 

[Ladywood 2]

would this be your mother and grandparents on the 1911.. ?

add is house 2 court 2 stoke st

edward powell age 36 polisher
nellie powell 36 (nelly could be another name for ellen)
son james 16 polisher
son william 14 polisher
son john 12 at school
daughter kellie 8 at school
daughter liley 3..(liley being short for elizabeth)

lyn

I think Kellie is actually Nellie, my mother's older sister Ellen Powell

 

[Ladywood 2]

One of Elizabeth's uncles (Walter Cantlin) also appears to be missing from the 1921 census. He was only recently married and had no children so she could be with him. On the 1922 ER he's listed at Ashted Place but if he's there in 1921 he doesn't come up.

Her (Cantlin) grandmother was still alive in 1921 but she's not with her. She's not with any of her (Cantlin) aunts either, 2 of whom are with their mother.

I think my mother went to an orphanage at Coleshill, where my Aunt Nell would visit her when possible.
Aunt Nell was about 15, born 1903 so it would have been difficult for her to visit my mother.

 

[Ladywood 2]

neither can i mark at least not in birmingham thats why i asked if ladywood if his mom had ever mentioned where she went after her parents died...thing is with the name elizabeth she could be under eliza..lizzy...lilie plus of course she could have been sent outside of birmingham...

lyn

My father used to call her Lill, as did my aunt Nell her sister. Thanks for your help

 

[Ladywood 2]

That seems right then Lyn.

There was a son, birth reg. as Charles Francis Dec 1905 and death as Thomas Francis Mar 1906 - not sure why there's a difference and a daughter, Mary Winifred birth reg. Jun 1911 and death the same qtr.

The third child was another daughter, Mary Agnes birth Mar 1914, death Sep 1914.

James' birth was reg. as James Jeremiah Edward, William as Charles William and John was John Thomas.

 

[Ladywood 2]

John Thomas Powell [Jackie] died in France 1917. His name is at the Commonwealth War Memorial in Arras.

 

[MWS]

So by 1918 your mother was in an orphanage, her parents had died and her three brothers had been killed in the war.

That must be terrible.

 

[Ladywood 2]

Have you transposed the years perhaps. William (Oxford & Bucks) appears to have died in 1917, though his age and service no. seem to be wrong on the CWGC site.

William [Billy} enlisted in the Warwickshire Regiment, But died in Salonika 16th May 1917. I found his gravestone just outside Thessaloniki in Greece. His Commonwealth gravestone has the badge of the Ox and Bucks, this was because so many regiments were decimated they made up the numbers from other regiments, in this case from the Warwicks.

 

[Astoness]

just looking at williams soldiers effects which you have probably seen...they were left to his mom ellen

lyn