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Pubs Of The Past

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And now you may be able to help me out. On mikejee's advice in another space and time, I bought the two huge volumes if History of Birmingham by Conrad Gill Vol 1, and Asa Briggs, Vol 2. Expensive but worth every groat...

Anyroadup, in Briggs' volume he bangs on about the Inns and Pubs of our fair City, and posts these two anonymous pictures as examples....but doesn't name them! So, the challenge, if you choose to accept, is to name these mystery pubs from different era's. He offers no clues in the text, and I haven't a clue either, although the first one is in dek's era, so maybe a giveaway to him? I should know the second one as it looks like it should have had a bowling green, and I must have played it sometime over the last thirty years...The Baldwin perhaps??

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It looks like it Paul, but I'm just having a shot in the dark, although it looks very much like it, hope your well Paul, haven't spoke to you for ages.
 
HI GUYS
You are geting close if you recall the black horse pub northfield and start to head towards the city
i think you will find it was the next one down before the built the old bell pub and which in case it was the third one down heading towards the city and smokey joes direction if any body recalls him ; on the same side of bristol rd south if you headed to wards long bridge the next big pub was the king edward which later transformed to a chinise eating house today ; the malt and shovel change its name when tey remodeled that pub at the turn of the century ;
and i just cannot recall its last name all i know is that the bloke whom took it over many years ago in my period was from kings norton
and that he was a inexperience orry driver come pub manager at the kings oak in northfield and they gave him the job of running that one because he could not run the small commutity pub ; andwhen he was transfered there to that pub they got rid of him for it eventualy became a chequred histry pub ;
and was taken over by the druggies and the shop lifters whom daily visited all the local butchers on the high street at northfield
and set up tables of meat within the pub and started to auction it off ;it went on for about twelve months he could not handle the pub
so they sacked him after bringing in the police ; they closed it down for awhile before putting in a new manager in the mean time they moved to the bel pub
at the top end of bell lane which was the next pub to the black horse pub ;same again but the police set the traps and rounded them all up and took away the pubs licence and would never ever let it open again a apub ; the chaps name by christian name was ken ; i canot reveal is surname for legal reasons
but getting back on track that was the malt shovel bristopl rd south ;
best wishes astonian;;
 
Dennis
I have this photo , which is obviously the first pub . the obscured title would seem to imply the Horsefair, but i think it must be in smallbrook St, by the Horsefair junction (no 49-51). According to McKenna it closed in 1902


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Mike & Dennis

The first pub is without a doubt the Malt Shovel Inn on Smallbrook Street as I have this further tagged drawing of it, it must have been a popular place for artists. I have been scouring my files trying to put a name to the second one, but it's difficult trying to identify it from the back. I have probably used the pub, but I was never much of a one for gardens. Too far from the bar.
 

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Same as previous folks I would have said the Black Horse in Northfield, have been in their gardens a fair bit when training, far enough away from work to be safe lol
Sue
 
Re post 901,,,,,,,,,I see what you mean about the chimney's, it had a lot of work done on it a few years ago, could they have removed some do you think.
 
Hi all
The pub in #905 is without doubt The Black Horse. The one further down towards Longbridge, which is now called The Emarald was called The George. The other
pub going back towards the city after the Black Horse was The Bell. after that on the same side was The Travellers Rest. Getting back to The Black Horse, Northfield
it was closed down for a while so work inside and out was carried out on the pub.
 
Hello stars it was the pub in 901, we were discussing we know 905 is the Black Horse, but is 901, also
 
Dennis Williams said:
And now you may be able to help me out. On mikejee's advice in another space and time, I bought the two huge volumes if History of Birmingham by Conrad Gill Vol 1, and Asa Briggs, Vol 2. Expensive but worth every groat...

Anyroadup, in Briggs' volume he bangs on about the Inns and Pubs of our fair City, and posts these two anonymous pictures as examples....but doesn't name them! So, the challenge, if you choose to accept, is to name these mystery pubs from different era's. He offers no clues in the text, and I haven't a clue either, although the first one is in dek's era, so maybe a giveaway to him? I should know the second one as it looks like it should have had a bowling green, and I must have played it sometime over the last thirty years...The Baldwin perhaps??

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Check out https://billdargue.jimdo.com/placenames-gazetteer-a-to-y/places-n/northfield/ scroll down and there is a photograph of the Black Horse Northfield c 1920, it doesn't look like above - to me that is, but I can never get my head around things when they are back to front.
 
2Q==
I asked about this pub a while ago, The Stores Powell St Summerhill sorry will try again lost the picturesummerhill11.jpg
 
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Someone once said that 'nostalgia is a pleasant kind of ache' and I want to thank you all for giving me a real dose of nostalgia. I've just sent a few hours browsing this thread and loved it!

My family has been in Birmingham for a few hundred years and these pictures have helped so much to put 'flesh on the bones' of the streets which are now longer there. Great!

Some time ago I begin researching bare knuckle boxing in the city and as it was 'underground' at the time lots of pubs were used as venues. I spent many an hour at the old Newspaper Library in Colindale reading crumbling copies of the Midland Sporting News.

Bob Brettle displayed his championship belt in the Leopard at 87 Dale End (it's now in the Museum of Boxing in Cardiff). can't find the map but if I remember rightly it was a very small pub from the front but stretched a very long way through a series of connecting rooms. Note to self - get filing up to date.

I think the pub in the early part of the thread with the curved wall, Carrs Lane/Moor St, was once the Aquarium with Jabez White the champion boxer as landlord.

Astonian - my friend's Mom was a Jelf and she often told us about Auntie Ivy and the cafes. Was one at Aston Cross? I remember the one in Tyburn Road / Holly Lane being left to fall down. Sad.

Someone told me the other day that the King Edward in Lichfield Road is going to go the way of the Reservoir. Can't they leave anything?

Thanks again for the photos and information.
 
I used to drink at the speedwell in yardley with my workmates every Friday night and we'd go on to bloomers disco. Every xmas we'd go to the swan hotel in yardley for the works do. Does anyone have any photo's of the three mentioned places? None of them exist now.
 
Following on from post 919 above, here is an advert from the Birm post.9.3.1863, which certainly shows that The Leopard as trying to attract the boxing fraternity

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Thanks for that mikejee. I was looking at boxing in Birmingham trying to trace my gt uncle Joe who I was told 'went to America with the Birmingham boxers'. I did find him in New Jersey after much searching and also got very interested in the locations in Birmingham. This thread has renewed my interest so I shall get all my paperwork out and see what I can match up to the pubs.

I had intended to trawl through the Birmingham papers but of course this has been 'on the back burner' for some time now but hopefully these will be available when the library re-opens.

It's sad that there are few buildings left where you can 'get the feel' of a place now. The London Museum was one venue and Victoria Hall in Bath St was another that come to mind. Last time I looked they were both still standing. Uncle Joe returned from the States to stage a benefit at the Victoria Hall with his brother-in-law Charley Norton, lightweight champion of America (1886).

My Dad used to say that it was no good leaving your hat in a pub because when you went back for it not only would the hat be gone but the pub would be missing too!

Thanks again,
 
What an afternoon, I have looked at every single post in this thread, and enjoyed doing so.
I am not really a pub person, but I remember some of the pubs on here, while others have been and gone without my even noticing them.
Thanks to you all for such a great afternoon spent indoors avoiding the spring of 2013.
 
my ggrandfather ran the prince of wales inn on loxton street in 1906 would like to see one if there is a photo
my other ggrandad was barman at the museum concert hall in birmingham1890 i dont know if this was a pub but would like to know where it was and a photo with thanks josie
 
I think this must have been the same as the London Museum Music Hall which was part of the London Museum tavern. This was on the corner of Park St & Digbeth, with the pub on th edigbeth side and the music hall up Park St side. Many years later th eRoyal George was on the site
 
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