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Old street pics..

Hi Folks

The book is Birmingham Buses Route by Route 1925 to 1975 it's price is £24.99 or Amazon @ £17.49.

I'm almost that in the 1960's this used to go down the Bullring out to the South Birmingham as a cross city service but I can't remember I think it went down Hall Green or Acocks Green.

Ray
 
A cross city route that is mentioned was most likely the 29 or 29A. The other routes south were not cross city routes (as far as I remember).

Astonian and the Old Mohawk, I think, have the northern route more or less correct. I only used the route in the north of the City to get to the Perry Barr speedway track.

The southern section (from Snow Hill southwards) went along Steelhouse Lane, around the islands (General Hospital and Central Fire Station) into Corporation Street, Bull Street, High Street, Bull Ring and then on through Digbeth, Deritend, and onto the Stratford Road. The 29 continued along Stratford Road turning into Highfield Road but the 29A had a more circuitous route along Wake Green Road, Sarehole Road, Robin Hood Lane, Keddleston Road (where two buses did not pass easily owing the the narrow road), Scribers Lane and then finally Baldwins Lane. This is how I remember it from 1945 until 1954. Bearing in mind that this time period is over sixty years ago there may be a discrepancy.

From the southern terminus the route in the northern direction followed the same roads until after climbing the hill at the Bull Ring. The route then turned left into New Street, then Corporation Street and Bull Street (Edward Greys store). It then continued down Snow Hill along the northern section described by others.

During WW2 many bus routes were diverted along different roads to their normal route. This was due to bombing (craters/rubble) and other issues. The 29A was rarely affected but inner city routes were; particularly the tramcar routes. I gather many routes were so disrupted due the the enormous amount of re-construction/re-development that took place after the mid 1950's.

Mention is made of the new book by Malcolm Keeley. I have a copy, there are a few here that also have and one stalwart in The States even has one. lol
 
I have a Transport & Street Guide 1963 which gives fares infomation on the services 25, 29 and 29a. I'm not familiar with this route and the information seems to be the fare between destinations. Here is the entry for 9d Ordinary and 4.1/2d childrens. Hope it might help.

Baldwins Lane - Newborough Road Junction and Stratford Place.
Kedleston Road-Scribers Lane Junction and Rea Street
Highfield Road(29a) or Yardley Wood Station and New Street
Southam Road(29a) or Hamlet Road (29) andSnow Hill - Colmore Road Junction or Colmore Circus.
Springfield Road - Wake Green Road Junction (29a) or Reddings Lane (29) and Hall Street
Springfield Road - Stratford Road Junction and Hockley Brook.
St Johns Road and Villa Cross
Ladypool Road and Haughton Road
Stratford Place and Wellhead Lane
Rea Street and Boart's Head
Hockley Brook and Brockwell Road
Villa Cross and Hillingford Avenue
 
I'm amazed that the 29 went out to Stratford Rd!! Although I should add, I only remember the route in the 1960s. Did it change? Also I thought the 33 went out of town via Lancaster Circus - not the 29 as this definitely went out of town via Snow Hill, Constitution Hill, Great Hampton St etc. The 33 did eventually get to Perry Barr and Kingstanding/Hawthorn Rd but went via Newtown Row. When the 33 got to Hawthorn Rd it turned down Warren Farm Road, whereas the 29 at this point carried on along Kingstanding Rd towards the Circle. Viv.
 
It then made it's way to Finchley Road on up to Kings Road facing the King Charles Pub which was it's terminus and turn round point... I belive the King Charles Pub has now been turned into old peoples flats ????

Regards Pete


I'm amazed that the 29 went out to Stratford Rd!! Although I should add, I only remember the route in the 1960s. Did it change? Also I thought the 33 went out of town via Lancaster Circus - not the 29 as this definitely went out of town via Snow Hill, Constitution Hill, Great Hampton St etc. The 33 did eventually get to Perry Barr and Kingstanding/Hawthorn Rd but went via Newtown Row. When the 33 got to Hawthorn Rd it turned down Warren Farm Road, whereas the 29 at this point carried on along Kingstanding Rd towards the Circle. Viv.
 
So am I to understand that the 29 service ran from Baldwins Lane to Kingstanding, has nobody got a copy of the complete route?
 
It was the 29A which commenced at Baldwins Lane; the 29 went from Highfield Road (near Yardley Wood Railway station. The 29A route has been explained well I feel in the previous threads. I gave the southern section and others the northern.
 
In the interest of getting things right I have ordered a copy of Malcolm Keeley's book Birmingham Buses by Route 1925 to 1975 from Amazon, So if you can just bear with me until it arrives.
 
And for all of you that have the Picture of The Bullring Birmingham 1949 Painted by Robert.K.Calvert the 29a is on the left and you easly read Baldwins Lane the Pheasy Estate Via Kingstanding so I think Bus Route has been running for some time ....


Regards Pete
 
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Phil theses are great photo's i just about remember the 'old' shops and having a few pints in the Harlequin in the 1970s, an excellent pint of draught Double Diamond as i remember. And i even married a girl who lived on Shard End Crescent. still together 35 years later !
Time to bring this bus ride to an end, with these last sequence of photos. I understand that this service has terminated in a number of places over the years, but I think I can manage Kitsland Rd though if the photo I use in anywhere near the terminus I haven't got a clue.

With the end of the route, if anybody wants to suggest another route or main road out of Birmingham I am willing to have a go. Can I suggest that if you want another bus route that if you can supply me with details of the route it would be helpful as I never was a great one for using buses before I was 18 and after that I never did.


Now we are on Heath Way passing the Harlequin Public House (6) that was recently mentioned. Next we arrive at Shard End Crescent (7) soon we are moving on to Packinton Avenue (8) looking very bleak, with Hurst Lane (9) not looking much better and finally reaching the end of our journey at Kitsland Rd (10).
 
You would think abook entitled "Birmingham Buses by Route 1925 to 1975" would haveamong other thing bus routes listed, but no not one. I would like to say thathad wasted my money but no because it is a very good book in other aspects.



So as far as the 29 bus route goes I am going to have to bluff it, so forgiveme and please tell me if I go off route, whicham very likely to do. I will start in Hall green and travel throughthe city to Kingstanding. I will only do a maximum of 5 photos at a time sothat I can backtrack easily if I have to. Right I'll start sorting some photosafter a quick skim through my new book.

 
This is really dragging out, so let me see if I have got this part of the route so far,

29

Baldwins Lane,
Scribers Lane
Keddleston Rd
Robin Hood Lane
Highfield Rd
Stratford Rd
Camp Hill
Bordesley
Deritend
Digbeth
Bull Ring
New St
Corporation St
Bull St
Snow Hill.

29a

Yardley Wood Station Highfield Rd
Robin Hood Lane
Wake Green Rd
Springfield Rd
Stratford Rd Springhill
Same as the 29 from here.

I will do the northern section after I have heard any corrections to this.
 
You would think abook entitled "Birmingham Buses by Route 1925 to 1975" would haveamong other thing bus routes listed, but no not one. I would like to say thathad wasted my money but no because it is a very good book in other aspects.

I was thinking about buying a copy of this, but what is the book about if it doesn't include bus routes listed? If you are correct, then the title appears to be somewhat misleading.
 
I take my hat off to you Phil !!!!! I for one think you are doing a sterling job, more power to your elbow as they used to say

Regards Pete

This is really dragging out, so let me see if I have got this part of the route so far,

29

Baldwins Lane,
Scribers Lane
Keddleston Rd
Robin Hood Lane
Highfield Rd
Stratford Rd
Camp Hill
Bordesley
Deritend
Digbeth
Bull Ring
New St
Corporation St
Bull St
Snow Hill.

29a

Yardley Wood Station Highfield Rd
Robin Hood Lane
Wake Green Rd
Springfield Rd
Stratford Rd Springhill
Same as the 29 from here.

I will do the northern section after I have heard any corrections to this.
 
Zambodini

Don't let me put you off buying the book because it is a very good book and has some excellent views of both Birmingham and buses between it's covers. I grant you that the title is a little misleading and I would be a few pound better off if I knew before I ordered it what I know now.
 
This is really dragging out, so let me see if I have got this part of the route so far,

29A

Baldwins Lane,
Scribers Lane
Keddleston Rd
Robin Hood Lane
Sarehole Road
Swanshurst Lane
Wake Green Road
Stratford Rd
Camp Hill
Bordesley
Deritend
Digbeth
Bull Ring
New St
Corporation St
Bull St
Snow Hill.

29

Yardley Wood Station Highfield Rd
Stratford Rd
Same as the 29A from here.
until the upper parts of the northern section

I will do the northern section after I have heard any corrections to this.


I have amended your post Phil.

This is how I remember the routes from just after WW2 until 1954 when I left Warwickshire.

If you really want a tangle maybe you could consider the 90 and 92 routes which replaced the 29 and 29A. There were many sub-divisions I believe but I leave that to those who lived in the City and maybe traveled on the new routes. :friendly_wink:
 
Regarding the book by Malcolm Keeley I have to say I have enjoyed reading the book, particularly looking the pics showing the buses and places I remember from years ago. It is nostalgic and makes a good companion to the other books I have relating the BCT buses, trolley buses and tramcars.

I have some on the 'other' Midland bus system i.e. B&MMO more affectionately know as the 'RED'.
 
Alan

Thanks for the help, if everybody is satisfied that the route is correct I will make a start tomorrow and when complete I will do the North Birmingham section. Alan I agree that is a very fine book, although I am not a bus fan, never having much to do with them. When I was younger I couldn't afford buses and used to walk almost everywhere, but at least i got to know the city. I used buses after started earning my own wages up until I passed my driving test. The times I have used buses in Birmingham since can be counted on the fingers of one hand.
 
Big thanks Phil. I'm sure we all appreciate your efforts. And of course I'm sure you'll be forgiven if any minor errors should arise, given that few people have an encyclopaedic knowledge of all bus routes! Enjoying these trips on the top deck! Thanks. Viv.
 
I have amended your post Phil.

This is how I remember the routes from just after WW2 until 1954 when I left Warwickshire.

If you really want a tangle maybe you could consider the 90 and 92 routes which replaced the 29 and 29A. There were many sub-divisions I believe but I leave that to those who lived in the City and maybe traveled on the new routes. :friendly_wink:
You seem to have the route ok Radiorails, except you have missed Springfield Rd. out between Wake green Rd. and the Stratford Rd. I used to drive the 90 and 91s on these routes.
 
You seem to have the route ok Radiorails, except you have missed Springfield Rd. out between Wake green Rd. and the Stratford Rd. I used to drive the 90 and 91s on these routes.

Thanks for the addition of Springfield Road John. I had remembered that road but was sidetracked trying to remember exactly where Wake Green Road commenced and finished. But, in my defence, m'lud, it was nearly 60 years ago when I last travelled that route.

Regarding the comment by Phil about walking and not riding buses: well, if I wasn't riding a bus someplace then I was riding my bicycle along one of the routes. The curious thing I have found, on reflection, is that I cycled to and from parts of the City and its surroundings not by the shortest route (which as a teenager I was most likely unaware of) but by following the bus routes which I knew would take me there.

Incidentally, clouding the issue by mentioning London, I always found that in London a bus never seemed to be going where I wanted to go; so I traveled by the Underground. On arrival at my destination I was always surprised to see buses going where I had just come from. :rolleyes:

I guess, before the mods rap us on the knuckles, we should close this topic and start another as this thread is entitled 'old street pics'.
 
Right lets get this bus moving we are on the 29a at Baldwins Lane and these first photos are all of Baldwins Lane, some before they even had a bus route.
 

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Sorry but the only photo I can dredge up of Scribers Lane is the wrong end completely as it is the ford, but I include here for interests sake(1). I have no photos at all of Keddleston Rd so if anybody has got one it's inclusion here would be of great help. My next two photos are of Robin Hood Lane (2 & 3). Then we come to a section of Sarehole Rd that I have no photo of once again, but we turn now for a short stretch of Cole Bank Rd (4) That includes Sarehole Mill (5).
 

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the old 29a was renumbered 91 from Pheasey estate to the Baldwin and 90 back to Pheasey, it was the longest route in Birmingham, 27 miles round trip. the running time was an hour and 5 mins. each way.View attachment 80151
 
Well,before we get to far along the road with this thread I guess I should pass some of my observations.

I remember those shops (with the exception of the the newer ones, with flats above, at the far end). The end most (nearest to the Baldwin was an electricians shop). Oh boy! They had models of an electric (HO scale) London Underground tube train. How I wanted one of them. I never got one however. :sorrow: The only view I don't recognize is the oldest one.

The ford in Scribers Lane and there were many others along the River Cole, including the wonderful aqueduct in Shirley, were favourite haunts of mine. Well kids always have been attracted to water. The nice part of Devon for me is the sea and the River Dart. Other haunts for me were those places that had reasonable access to the North Warwickshire railway line (which runs from Tyseley to Stratford upon Avon). There are many good places, such as Webb Lane where the pic of the BCT bus is seen passing below the line, between Hall Green and Henley-in-Arden. Amongst the shops in Robin Hood lane - nearest to the island from memory - was an off-licence. Well, the days of women queuing for some fruit (bananas.oranges etc.) had not passed for a year or so after WW2 nor had the need to queue for a bottle of wine. In fact some rationing lasted until around the early 1950's.

It seems almost unbelievable when you consider supermarket and similar stores with shelves groaning under the weight of bottles/tins of alcoholic beverages.

Interestingly enough I was completely unaware of the history surrounding Sarehole Mill. I knew there was a mill there but at the time it was quite concealed with trees and bushes. Thanks to this Forum I was able to learn about the place.
 
Hi All
I remember years ago doing the BRMB radio walkathon around the number 11 bus route,
and am sure it was 28 miles from start to finish.

regards Stars
 
hi stars ;
how are you doing and how are you doing on the tracing of the stevens family ;?.
yes it was 28 miles around the outer circle i never done it myself ; thou only on the bus its self ;
one time whilst the walk was o and look through the top deck of the bus ;
and for years i lived at 154 aston lane perry barr end and stand at the front of the gate at the house and chat to them in there droves
as passing and whatch all the rgala of people wearing ; my young daughter attemted it at one point but i had to drive around and pick her up
but on that day i have a pold friend of mine called pepsie whom lived n heath street but prior t that he lived in barford rd
and as i drove around he was on point duty at the junction of heath street winson green rd and heath street ; he was roped in as he was a special constable and i had not seen him for afew years ; and on approach to the junction i seen the coppers uniform and he put his hand up
telling me to stopp and i said to the wife whats wrong with him ; and l leant out of the widow to asked him whyu he stoped me
and then we reckonised each other and we had a good laugh and spoke for awhile then carried on around to pick up the daughter
and her friend after all these years she will only sponsor people and not walk it ;
have a nice day best wishes alan ;; astonian;;
 
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