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I think the answer is possibly. Certainly the frontage is added , probably built over what was a small bit of garden, or an open area. This happened a lot. The building might not have been wholly private however, as often , particulalry in the jewellery quarter but also elsewhere, buildings contained living accomodation with a workshop or business in the back, possibly as extra buildings (though the 1889 map shows that no 69 (second from the corner of Manchester st) was of similar outline then to that in 1951)
mike
mike
thanks carol..nice to know someone remembers ryleys....
and thanks again for the info mike...
lyn
morning reg..sorry i nearly missed your post....its possible of course...think i will sort out my earlier kellys and have a look at just what this building was used for..its got me wondering now...
lyn
gingerjon
GONE BUT NOT FORGOTTEN R.I.P.
This is from Kelly's 1895 The photograph shown was been altered by me and put on my web site The original was taken by Terry Weir the Aston Villa photographer which was taken just before being demolished, I replaced the broken windows and altered the facade and added new planks below window.
Its amazing how it managed to get on this forum?
John H
Its amazing how it managed to get on this forum?
John H
Phil
Gone, but not forgotten.
I worked at J.A.Ryley from about August 1963 to about March 1964. It was a good place to work and had some good people working there, but the same as everywhere else the wages for youngsters were pitiful. The building inside was really old fashioned from the offices in the attic to the storerooms in the basement. At that time the shop next door was a newsagent and tobacconist.
Phil
Phil
Shortie
master brummie
Thanks Mike, I had thought that, but why should someone advertise themselves as a stay and corset maker? Would it be for those who don't know what a corset is? (you gave me info on a Bernice Barber 1833, in Gt Hampton Street who was a stay and corset maker). I am writing about this Bernice and her husband at the moment, and I need to be as correct as I can be.
Tthere is a lot about Stays at https://thestaymaker.co.uk/ and https://18thcstays.blogspot.com/2009_06_01_archive.html but they don't seem to differentiate, other than by period. the only explanation i can find is from https://community.livejournal.com/regencyclothing/36023.html where Laracorsets (!!) states:
A Stay and a corset are the same thing in different time periods. Before the mid 19th century you rarely hear the word corset used since all "corsets" were stays. After the mid 19th century a "stay" was often used in place of the word corset bone. As in what sort of stays are in your corset or bodice?
This would make sense, and in your case listing someone as staymaker and corsetmaker would indicate that they made the whalebone stays to go in their corsets, as well as the garment (or as well as the instrument of torture, depending on your point of view).
Mike
A Stay and a corset are the same thing in different time periods. Before the mid 19th century you rarely hear the word corset used since all "corsets" were stays. After the mid 19th century a "stay" was often used in place of the word corset bone. As in what sort of stays are in your corset or bodice?
This would make sense, and in your case listing someone as staymaker and corsetmaker would indicate that they made the whalebone stays to go in their corsets, as well as the garment (or as well as the instrument of torture, depending on your point of view).
Mike
Have been inside J A Ryleys many times collecting car parts,to get to the trade counter you had to go down a passage way to the left of the building and as has been said very old fashioned inside.
The photo of the three shops the lefthand shop was a butchers and run by a chap Harold,there was a thread on here a long time ago and one of the contributers was the son of that chap.The middle shop was a family run pork butchers but unfortunately i can'remember thier name and as everyone says the right hand one was a newsagents.
Dave
The photo of the three shops the lefthand shop was a butchers and run by a chap Harold,there was a thread on here a long time ago and one of the contributers was the son of that chap.The middle shop was a family run pork butchers but unfortunately i can'remember thier name and as everyone says the right hand one was a newsagents.
Dave
great pics stars but the first pic with the caption of porchest st is wrong...its of almas st...showing the frontage of the crocodile works on the left..porchester st was on a slope as shown in your 2nd pic of it......im so glad you posted it though as ive been looking for that one..its a great long shot..
lyn
lyn
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Great photos stars and lyn.
